Why is StormBlood full of dps that never aoe?

[LunarEmerald]

I've been grinding all the SB dungeons to level up various jobs and it's disappointingly common for the other dps to never aoe. What's even weirder is that I've had them goad me but they don't aoe themselves. Monk and Ninjas have amazing aoe but never seem to use them. Forget healers that don't dps, this is a worse issue. Do we need Hall of the Novice to teach people to aoe large packs?

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The potency number for the single-target skill is bigger than the potency number for the AoE skill.

[LunarEmerald]

The potency number for the single-target skill is bigger than the potency number for the AoE skill.

As stupid as that is, it is likely the reason. You would think it would be common sense to realize that you multiply aoe potency by the number of targets.

[alimdia]

Just people who cannot multiply numbers, they have been here since ARR launch, and no matter how much you try to explain that 100 potency on 4 enemies is better than 250 on 1 they don't get it.

There's also those who think their character will be deleted if they run out of TP.

[whiteblade89]

Those players have been around forever, not just in SB. In ARR I was that player who never aoe'd because I was a dumb noob. I've seen Black mages single target in mass pulls and monks that don't seem to know that Rockbreaker exists. And this was throughout ARR and HW. One issue could be that FF is a lot of people's first MMO. I know it was the case for me. And there were a lot of growing pains for me when I was adjusting to the style of the game. Toolkit? Wtf is that? Death Blossom? That's an ability? (<-- legitimate response from me to another player in 2.x Brayflox HM who called me out on not using my aoe on the last boss's bomb mechanic). Not saying that it's ok not to aoe in a large pack. I've gotten out of dungeons feeling exhausted because I abused my TP throughout the entire run. Adding an aoe section to Hall of the Novice would be a decent start, but ultimately the game is going to be as casual friendly as it has always been. I've found it's best to find the humor in it. That way at least the descent into madness is slightly more enjoyable lol

[LunarEmerald]

Those players have been around forever, not just in SB. In ARR I was that player who never aoe'd because I was a dumb noob. I've seen Black mages single target in mass pulls and monks that don't seem to know that Rockbreaker exists. And this was throughout ARR and HW. One issue could be that FF is a lot of people's first MMO. I know it was the case for me. And there were a lot of growing pains for me when I was adjusting to the style of the game. Toolkit? Wtf is that? Death Blossom? That's an ability? (<-- legitimate response from me to another player in 2.x Brayflox HM who called me out on not using my aoe on the last boss's bomb mechanic). Not saying that it's ok not to aoe in a large pack. I've gotten out of dungeons feeling exhausted because I abused my TP throughout the entire run. Adding an aoe section to Hall of the Novice would be a decent start, but ultimately the game is going to be as casual friendly as it has always been. I've found it's best to find the humor in it. That way at least the descent into madness is slightly more enjoyable lol

I know that they have. I've been playing since the beta. But it seems worse than before. Feels like 70% of the dps I come across in duty finder (not the level 70 dungeons) do not aoe at all.

[Axaron]

Those players have been around forever, not just in SB. In ARR I was that player who never aoe'd because I was a dumb noob.

Yes, new people have been around forever, is what you basically said here. This is a good thing. So keep in mind...

--Playing with new people causes struggles.

--When you play with strangers, you're going to have people who are just flatout bad at games trying to do their campaign.

--If someone is playing poorly, there's nothing wrong with politely coaching them in what is proper, and vote kicking if they don't listen.

These are basic grievances about attempting teamwork and motor reflexes with people you haven't met--and sometimes, even if you do everything, it still won't come together. Having "noobs" is a sign of a healthy MMORPG. It's a positive symptom of casual Final Fantasy gamers having to suddenly work with other people. If they don't listen to instruction remove them, but do try to be patient. Not everyone is accustomed to "grinding" dungeons.

[Tufelhunden]

Because generally the mobs come in groups of three, which is less overall dps than most single targets. Now with a good healer I can grab 6 and we can have fun, but those appear rare and I can't leave defiance because I need the hp boost and the 20 reduction from ib.

[whiteblade89]

I have a few points to add in response to this:

--Basically you're just saying you're mad at new people (and noobs) here, because you were part of the problem, which is fine, having new players has it's downsides. Remember that when expansions launch.

--When you play with strangers, you're going to have people who are just flatout bad at games trying to do their campaign.

--If someone is playing poorly, there's nothing wrong with politely coaching them in what is proper.

These are basic grievances about attempting teamwork and motor reflexes with people you haven't met--and sometimes, even if you do everything, it still won't come together.

Having "noobs" like you were is a sign of a healthy MMORPG

I think you interpreted my response in a more negative light than it was intended. The "dumb noob" bit was more a jab at myself than anyone else, but I should clarify that I don't fault people for being new. I enjoy helping new players as long as they're willing to be helped. Makes the game feel more rewarding. And knowing where I came from makes it easier to handle runs with players like that. My point in my post was that there will always be players who underperform for one reason or another. And while I don't always attempt to coach everyone, Im never the one to cause a fuss over it. I'm not mad at these players because I don't know their stories. I remember how I used to be. Everyone has to learn sometime. Doesn't mean that some runs don't make you wanna tear your hair out though lol as I said, I just laugh it off because it's a game.

[Axaron]

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Yeah I suppose I was being a bit uptight. It is agonizing to deal with bad players. I've just finally learned it's easier to just talk to people 90% of the time. FF is worse because it draws franchise fans who don't really play other games.

I just get frustrated when in groups the people, someone boils over into rage at the bad player, and tilt the group. Particularly because I play WHM and healers are pretty easy in the scaling system, we can always still finish the dungeon.

I'm losing out on time if halfway through some guy ragequits or starts a typing war or vote over under-performance and I have to start a second queue, and I only play tank and healer.