What happened to SB (story)?

[Naunet]

--Killing off Zenos. This seems extremely abrupt, and I still disagree with killing him off so soon.

But if we hadn't killed him off so soon, we would have to suffer through SE's self-insert OC for more patches!

I definitely agree with your first point, though. Liberating Ala Mhigo and Doma felt way too easy, though the characters in the quests were generally well-written (with the exception of Zenos). So we knocked out a castle and that's that? At least post-Ala Mhigo, they acknowledge the continued presence of Garlean military I suppose.

That said, I think SB is infinitely better than HW in terms of writing-quality. HW relied way too much on the tired cliche of "zomg evil catholics!!!" which is so uninspiring. It also had some of the most pointless character deaths I've ever witnessed, and the one actually meaningful character death we could've had from the end of ARR was essentially retconned in a ridiculously cheap way come HW.

[Felis]

Doesn't look much like a sea either. More a lake.

Maybe a very, very, very big lake

[Naunet]

Maybe a very, very, very big lake

I mean, it feels like about the size of Lake Superior and only a little bigger than something like say Lake Constance.

[Aquaslash]

You mean like the allagan weapon that shot down a dragon and landed in garlean controlled territory, requiring us to remove garlean forces to even get to it in the first place?

it's not an allagan weapon

/10characters

[usalia]

well the story in SB was all over the place, move to fast. we as a small group of nobody's kicked the "Empire" because the Empire didn't give a fuck for this 2 places? what?
why did they conquered it at all?
hw have characters in the story, SB not so much.
if it was onlly one of the places it was better, like HW.
in the end the most interesting part was the Au Ra tribes.
most of the gear looked out of place. most of it looked like it was from HW.
for a "story first" game it not good.

[ErryK]

I mean, it feels like about the size of Lake Superior and only a little bigger than something like say Lake Constance.

Scale ingame doesn't necessarily have to match with scale in reality. That's why they're called fantasy games.

But either way, we are within a portion of the Ruby Sea, we aren't in the full sea. We only go from the Ruby Price all the way to the East Othard coastline, we don't see what's between the Ruby Price and Hingashi itself. What we see is probably a fifth of what the actual Ruby Sea itself is.

[CosmicKirby]

So uhh, the reason why Xenos could kick our butts at the start is because he's a genetic supersolider monstrosity that is being enhanced by an artificial version of the same echo that makes US the main character.

I don't know how you felt Heavensward was 'big'. I feel the presentation was similarly lackluster but acceptable, I think your tastes and willingness to consume media of middling quality has lessened and you think the story overall worse because of it.

[Rhysati]

Meanwhile SB's story is by far my favorite. I found ARK to be trite and dull with tons of filler. HW was so monotonous and lifeless with way soon much standing around and talking without any hooks to keep my attention. SB is the first time I cared at all about the story.

[Naunet]

Scale ingame doesn't necessarily have to match with scale in reality. That's why they're called fantasy games.

But either way, we are within a portion of the Ruby Sea, we aren't in the full sea. We only go from the Ruby Price all the way to the East Othard coastline, we don't see what's between the Ruby Price and Hingashi itself. What we see is probably a fifth of what the actual Ruby Sea itself is.

I think the point is it doesn't really feel like we're in an actual sea. Take WoW's Vashjir zone, for example. Even though the zone is just a fraction of the ocean, it really feels like you're in the middle of an endless ocean.

I think if they hadn't bounded it by land on so many sides, the zone would feel a lot larger.

[Daralii]

But if we hadn't killed him off so soon, we would have to suffer through SE's self-insert OC for more patches!

I definitely agree with your first point, though. Liberating Ala Mhigo and Doma felt way too easy, though the characters in the quests were generally well-written (with the exception of Zenos). So we knocked out a castle and that's that? At least post-Ala Mhigo, they acknowledge the continued presence of Garlean military I suppose.

That said, I think SB is infinitely better than HW in terms of writing-quality. HW relied way too much on the tired cliche of "zomg evil catholics!!!" which is so uninspiring. It also had some of the most pointless character deaths I've ever witnessed, and the one actually meaningful character death we could've had from the end of ARR was essentially retconned in a ridiculously cheap way come HW.

But every character is Square's OC. They make the game.