[Off-Topic] WoW Raiding

[AokaSuzukaze]

Hello, i don't know if this is the appropiate section to post this thread.

I am sorry for doing it and thanks for reading.

Yesterday, one friend told me that it took 654 tries from a top guild to clear to have the first clear on the last boss from the last raid of WoW. And the second one arround 900.

I have watched the replay of that kill and it is being a bit hard to believe that it took 654 tries, 654!.

Someone who plays ff and wow at the same time could explain me how is it posible? From my ignorant perspective of the actually WoW it doens't look that hard to have to make 654 tries to get the clear it. I really would like to understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8it5rki5I10

[Niraves]

You're watching the replay of attempt number 654. Go find some footage of attempt 14 or 129.

After you've done a fight 600 times, it starts to look easier and easier.

[Remedi]

a note: said guild said that several days were wasted because the boss was considered unkillable with the raw number of dmg he was throwing out (with some mechanics also overlapping too quickly, in short you could say that the attempt are a bit padded because they had to wait for the team to hotfix the fight (a bit shameful considering they have a PTR but w/e)

edit: incidentally that fight was also nerfed a bit this reset btw

[Mook_Mook]

Its easier when you know what to do and expect. Something the majority of raiders in mmo's minus the 1% do not get is that that learning a fight without reading a guide is hard. People can barely succeed with a guide image doing it all without.

[ChocoFeru]

WoW usually caps the fights with gearchecks (aka artifficial difficulty) so they're unkillable at start on purpose.

[SaitoHikari]

WoW usually caps the fights with gearchecks (aka artifficial difficulty) so they're unkillable at start on purpose.

You know what FFXIV raid tier unintentionally had that too and everyone considered it a disaster? :P

Mentality is very different in both games but it's fairly clear that it's the FFXIV community that can't even decide what it wants, until it actually happens and we have to deal with the consequences. Then people magically forget two years after the fact while the devs are still cleaning up the mess as a result.

[RiceisNice]

You know what FFXIV raid tier unintentionally had that too and everyone considered it a disaster? :P

Mentality is very different in both games but it's fairly clear that it's the FFXIV community that can't even decide what it wants, until it actually happens and we have to deal with the consequences. Then people magically forget two years after the fact while the devs are still cleaning up the mess as a result.

I mean even beyond the gear check (which in itself is not a bad thing), A3s had a few other design choices that I wouldn't say was good. The overall slow pacing, the non-indicative mechanics which lead to the inevitable party wipe (which only exasperates the former), and just in general (and this is for A4s too) the overtuning. I'm really hard pressed to believe that they designed it without healer dps in mind, even at relative ilvl.

[Brannigan]

You know what FFXIV raid tier unintentionally had that too and everyone considered it a disaster? :P

Gear checks don't work when you only release four bosses. I'm not sure how item progression works in current expansion WoW, but they have 9 bosses there. I'd be fine getting gear checked for a couple of weeks while killing eight other bosses, but having only Oppressor and lolGoblin Horde (both of which are pretty crappy fights) for most groups was the real reason Gordias sucked. Well, that and the complete lack of reward for actually completing raids in FFXIV.

[Unsung_Wanderer]

Also don't forget that unlike WoW raiding where if one or two people die the raid wipes in this game you have a boat load of battle rezes on top of limit break 3 battle res which is something raiders in WoW do not have the luxury of having.

[HiraQin]

Also don't forget that unlike WoW raiding where if one or two people die the raid wipes in this game you have a boat load of battle rezes on top of limit break 3 battle res which is something raiders in WoW do not have the luxury of having.

Thats right but i think thats fine when you think about some huge thing raiders in ff dont have..boss mods and timers for each ability and mechanic of the boss as well as things that tell you when to move where and stuff..and pls dont tell me now that these people dont have them..they usually have them because each top guild in wow has its own more or less dedicated addon programmers.