Next Tank Job?

[Seku]

Third eye doesn't absorb magic, and also the most problematic attacks are aoe which ignore third eye.

PLD doesn't absorb magic either, nor is it a magic tank by default. AoE attacks were problematic for everyone not just tanks, which is why a lot of groups had people sub ninja for shadow and why a lot of HMN groups only took Ranged DPS . Third Eye however does absorb large hits, multi attack weapon skills, and auto attacks, which in turn allowed them solo tank slow hitting mobs, mobs that did multi hit weapon skills, and allowed them to get shadows back.

As for AOE and when Third eye are down. Thats what the DT sets are for since you can you know, change gear mid battle in that game.

Actually no. Only war, pld and drk have access to non-job specific heavy armor.

Like the games current all around best tanking piece and rarest tanking piece?
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/26944/tartarus-platemail

Just like every other job have access to -dt gear. However, only pld and run have the best -dt gear.

The only job that has better DT gear is PLD and thats through Ageis and Burtang due to the fact that they let you break the Hard cap of -50% damage taken, which in case you didn't know no one can go above -50% damage taken naturally. These are two weapons that take most people months, if not years to obtain, which prior to them making Dynamis easy to get into by removing the time restraint and gil requirement, only a few people had their hands on these weapons and normally only one.

The only reason to take a PLD was for spike enmity and their ability to block so they could put their shadows back up.

Can't counter magic or aoe attacks.

PLD can naturally counter magic without - magic damage taken gear? Nope. RUN and PLD can counter AoE attacks naturally? Nope. So not sure why this really matters.

And if you're talking about SAM's ability to counter attack with Third eye up, of course they can't. But extra damage going out while their putting defenses back up is better than no damage at all. Thing about 11 is that you geared your Sub job to handle the fight you were going into. :0

IE: Mob does a lot of fast but weak attacks? No need for /ninja. Mob does a lot of single target Magic nukes and hits hard enough that your -50% magic damage taken gear set doesn't cut off enough damage? go /nin and now /run.

Oh please, find me a tank samurai.

Kinda hard to with a game that has lost a good majority of it's player base. But from way back when. Sure.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/15645/sammnk-tank/

You can search the rest of the old forums yourself since theres about....15 years worth of it.

[Justuas]

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I'll just say that your points are out-to-date. Sam might have been good for tanking trash mobs and mobs that don't aoe much, which again is rare nowdays.
HNMs aren't relevant anymore.
If the mob spams aoe or it's regular attacks are aoe, third eye and shadows have little use and sam don't have a chance at tanking.

The only job that has better DT gear is PLD and thats through Ageis and Burtang

Run has better dt gear too. Also why are sam's ultimate weapons suited for dd unlike pld and run's?
I meant Odyssean gear but fine. Souveran cuirass +1 is better than tartarus, and it's only for war/pld.

The only reason to take a PLD was

Emphasis on "was".

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/15645/sammnk-tank/

That thread is like from 2010... not relevant anymore. I'll give you something more up-to-date http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/41...-a-guide-v-20/

[Seku]

I'll just say that your points are out-to-date. Sam might have been good for tanking trash mobs and mobs that don't aoe much, which again is rare nowdays.

Not out of date, just because it's rarer, doesn't mean it can't tank and wasn't used as a tank(as you claim, but have already admitted that they have at some point). Also, sky gods, kirin(who spammed aoes), sea gods and both section of limbus were all end game at 75. All of which SAM has tanked before, including some HNM's in the WOTG era. Rather their relevant or not at the moment doesn't matter, as this content made up a majority of the games life span.

Run has better dt gear too. Also why are sam's ultimate weapons suited for dd unlike pld and run's?

Sorry forgot about the fact RUN has a weapon that takes months to years to make. Also see point address your souveran cuirass gear. Since RUN you know, can't wear it at all or any heavy armor for that matter and are stuck in the lightweight and middle weight armors.

Why was ninjas ultimate weapon suited for dps when players obviously made that class into a tank? Why does RDM have access to Excalibur, other than to use as a toy? No one knows, ask the developers.

I meant Odyssean gear but fine. Souveran cuirass +1 is better than tartarus, and it's only for war and pld

It's actually about the same for physical damage reduction, and tartarus pulls ahead for magic defense, which by your logic is the worse type of damage along with AoE.

Souveran has like....15 more vit. Tartarus has 11 more magic evasion, 2 more of a traited magic defense bonus(once only on rdm and is on run), and absorbs magical damage by 5%. Oh and 7 more actual defense. --- This is the Souveran +1, that has been augmented.
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Tartarus_Platemail
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Nolan

Not to mention it still destroys your moot point of heavy armor only being stuck on drk,pld, and war.

Also since war can use both, I suppose WAR can tank too and is in league with PLD. But RUN can't use either....so RUN obviously isn't a tank. (sarcasm)
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That thread is like from 2010... not relevant anymore. I'll give you something more up-to-date http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/41...-a-guide-v-20/

Thank you.

V. Equipment Sets
a. TP Sets
b. Bow Sets
c. Weapon Skill Sets
d. Defense Sets

From the guide you linked. --- Also this guide is over a year old and doesn't seem to be being kept up to date. ;o

But I see a optimized....-PDT set. a -MDT set....a HP regen set. Oh and lookie here a enmity set, the stat that lets you grab hate. In a 2016 guide for FF11.

Seems all your points are basically irrelevant and some actually fall in line with my own.

[Justuas]

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As I've said before, sam can tank trash mobs sure. Pretty much anyone can with dt set. I've seen whm tank Tojil.

Sorry forgot about the fact RUN has a weapon that takes months to years to make.

Only if you haven't started the prerequisites (mainly coalitions). Meanwhile you can do plenty of other stuff.

Also see point address your souveran cuirass gear. Since RUN you know, can't wear it at all or any heavy armor for that matter and are stuck in the lightweight and middle weight armors.

Run is a magic (evasion) tank. Souveran gear is clearly meant for pdt.

Why was ninjas ultimate weapon suited for dps when players obviously made that class into a tank?

Good question. After abyssea Ninja hasn't been used as a tank much either because reasons already mentioned. It's dd now.