No warning message when entering a savage group that will only yield 1 chest

[Zeonsilt]

Reddit discussion on this problem:

#1
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._queue_in_for/

#2
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._have_cleared/

Put in your PF that you want 2 chest.

Also, tell the party leader to not be dumb and set Duty Completion under Purpose for DF settings.

If you click Duty Completion under Raid Finder, it will give you an error message if someone has cleared for the week.

[enthauptet]

Well part of the issue is that square doesn't follow any semblance of best practice of using the most restrictive option first so it defaults to practice mode which gives no warning. The default should give a warning and the option should be to turn it off.

[Xellos2099]

I meant the party leader made a mistake of not mading it completion but it is the one who is intentional to ruining someone weekly one is the main problem. And as noted, it was never a problem before as there was warning once you enter.

[Luxpheras]

Greetings,

Thank you for the feedback. We appreciate your input and understand that these situations can be quite frustrating. We have forwarded this concern and your suggestions to the dev. team for consideration.

We'd also like to clarify a few points for reference:

• As mentioned in the 4.05 patch notes and high-end Duty Finder text, if your party contains players replaying a floor of Savage prior to the weekly reset, the number of treasure coffers appearing upon completion will decrease.
  
• To avoid this, party leaders should select "Duty Completion" as the Purpose when using the high-end Duty Finder to queue. With this setting, those who have already completed will not be matched (when queuing with an incomplete party), and the amount of treasure coffers will not decrease.
  
• If you are unable to queue your party with Duty Completion selected, it is possible that a party member has already received a weekly reward for that duty, or does not meet the matching requirements.
  
• The "Practice" option in the high-end Duty Finder is designated for players who have not yet completed the raid content and for those who have completed but wish to practice and teach new players.

Please continue to share any feedback and suggestions you may have regarding the Duty Finder and Savage loot systems.

[Damun]

The problem with this solution it's not obvious and when asked directly most people tend to go quiet, this happened to our group last night. We unfairly lost a chest in our run last night.

I just needs to be OBVIOUS not FINE PRINT

[raela]

Oddly enough, we had a warning this week that someone had already cleared and we'd be down a chest when the boss died.. panicked.. then had 2 chests anyway. Everyone confirmed they had not yet cleared for the week. Though, from reading another topic, apparently you can lose a chest if someone DCs before the boss dies..

[Xellos2099]

I recall there WAS a warning system to let player know someone have clear when queued in. It is not a solution when the only answer is to ask the party leader to be careful. I request the warnign system to be bough back

[eschaton]

Greetings,

Thank you for the feedback. We appreciate your input and understand that these situations can be quite frustrating. We have forwarded this concern and your suggestions to the dev. team for consideration.

We'd also like to clarify a few points for reference:

• As mentioned in the 4.05 patch notes and high-end Duty Finder text, if your party contains players replaying a floor of Savage prior to the weekly reset, the number of treasure coffers appearing upon completion will decrease.
  
• To avoid this, party leaders should select "Duty Completion" as the Purpose when using the high-end Duty Finder to queue. With this setting, those who have already completed will not be matched (when queuing with an incomplete party), and the amount of treasure coffers will not decrease.
  
• If you are unable to queue your party with Duty Completion selected, it is possible that a party member has already received a weekly reward for that duty, or does not meet the matching requirements.
  
• The "Practice" option in the high-end Duty Finder is designated for players who have not yet completed the raid content and for those who have completed but wish to practice and teach new players.

Please continue to share any feedback and suggestions you may have regarding the Duty Finder and Savage loot systems.

Thank you for explaining this in detail!


People might not even be trolling on purpose, just trying to rerun.

[Niwashi]

Say the above changes were made. The person who cleared would get nothing while the other seven would be able to roll on whatever dropped.

The issue with that is that they'd then have a one in seven chance (or 1/6 or 1/5, etc if multiple people have cleared before) rather than the one in eight that's intended and that the first people to clear had. Instead of people being upset at getting teammates who have already cleared in their group, they'd be upset at getting those who haven't already cleared for the week in their group.


Here's my suggested solution to the problem:
There will always be two chests of loot, and those who have previously cleared that week cannot roll on it. However, for each player who cannot roll due to that lockout, the system itself will make a loot roll, and if that roll wins, then nobody gets the drop. This way each of the remaining players still get the standard one in eight chance at two chests of loot as though everyone were running it for the first time. Nobody is either advantaged or disadvantaged by the presence of those who are repeating the run, and there's no penalty for joining a friend's run.

[Xellos2099]

Thank you for explaining this in detail!


People might not even be trolling on purpose, just trying to rerun.

I am pretty sure a lot of them are trolling on purpose.