Is there a way to actually use Plenary Indulgence?

[Sebazy]

in 8-mans, unless you lose a healer, or his swiftcast is down and he needs to snailcast a Raise, you probably aren't going to need a "topper" either, because both healers are going to fire their AoEs simultaneously anytime whole-party damage is taken which is usually more than enough to bring everybody up to just about full.

O3S final phase and the majority of O4S would like a word with you. It's an ability that's very much designed around Savage content and it's most certainly not alone in this regard. It's a nice button to use on Zenos in Ala Mhigo, but that's really about it for 4 man.

Tripling the duration would make it significantly more than it's intended to be yes, and I'd wager that'd come with a very significant nerf to it's potency as it'd be too easy to stack up and more importantly, maintain confessions at 30 seconds. I really don't think it's envisioned to be a heal in it's own right.

What it does do is provide a larger upfront boost than largesse with a shorter cooldown to all of our AoE healing GCDs. 350 upfront potency (+hot) with with a 20yalm reach. 700 potency/6yalms for stacks. Yum <3

[deos]

Tripling the duration would make it significantly more than it's intended to be yes, and I'd wager that'd come with a very significant nerf to it's potency as it'd be too easy to stack up and more importantly, maintain confessions at 30 seconds. I really don't think it's envisioned to be a heal in it's own right.

the thing is, you can only maintain it on ppl that gets damaged, as ppl at 100% health do not get/refresh confession stacks. but at the same time, if they took dmg, this is also the time you would use the stacks, right?
sure you could try to maintain 3 stacks for a certain situation/mechanic, but PI still has one minute cd, so this would not change much aside from the skill giving good players a higher skill ceiling if they want to while simply being useful for everybody else. i do not see anything OP about that.

[LadyCeles]

They put work into WHM raiding. Devine Benison and PI are great for raiding. DB is far better then stoneskin in raids but i stil prefer stoneskin for dungeons. I can see why they removed stoneskin now, they would be just too strong. And now WHM DPS with stone 4 is just redonkeyless. Free mp as well. With little additions/changes and removal of abilities WHM is beastmode. I main PLD (mained WHM til T9 when we desperatly needed a tank) but i still love and use my WHM

[VanilleFang]

A longer duration would make the skill more "usable", yes, but is a longer duration needed? The skill is not unusable in its current state, nor is WHM reallt lacking healing power or flexibility imo. I feel like an increase to the duration would cause WHM to dance the line of OP and balanced since being able to hold onto a PI for a long while would not only make them more flexible, but also allow them to have something additional that could help them save MP (even if it's a long term investment).

[Verdan]

A longer duration would make the skill more "usable", yes, but is a longer duration needed? The skill is not unusable in its current state, nor is WHM reallt lacking healing power or flexibility imo. I feel like an increase to the duration would cause WHM to dance the line of OP and balanced since being able to hold onto a PI for a long while would not only make them more flexible, but also allow them to have something additional that could help them save MP (even if it's a long term investment).

It's only good in a type of content that they're struggling to get people to play because a small amount of people do. It being a banked AoE heal you have to charge just gives it more places where it can be used, it doesn't actually change much about the power of the ability.
With Asts running around with Earthly Star and bigger shields than scholars, is a 30 second or up duration on a buff that lets you(at best) use a cure 1 on everyone every 60 seconds THAT overpowered?

[Sebazy]

With Asts running around with Earthly Star and bigger shields than scholars, is a 30 second or up duration on a buff that lets you(at best) use a cure 1 on everyone every 60 seconds THAT overpowered?

IMO yes, because in much of savage, that will pretty much equate to giving us a 650 potency 20yalm aoe heal + regen every minute without any of the limitations or quirks of Earthly Star.

sure you could try to maintain 3 stacks for a certain situation/mechanic, but PI still has one minute cd, so this would not change much aside from the skill giving good players a higher skill ceiling if they want to while simply being useful for everybody else. i do not see anything OP about that.

Likely because you haven't done the content where it's actually rather powerful? In this week's O3S for example, I cast 45 aoe GCD heals over 11 minutes, that's an average of a confession every 14.6 seconds. Where's the skill ceiling in that? I'd just be sat at 3 confessions long before the ability was up again.

Even with these sort of changes, I still don't think it'd be terribly useful outside of Savage TBH, it's much like Cure III in that it's just overkill in the vast majority of casual content out there.

Giving the class that's already the strongest aoe healer another significant advantage over SCH/AST isn't that great an idea given how incredibly healing centric the latter half of this savage tier is. I'm sorry that you can't see that =(

[Romulo]

PI is very usefull, but only in very specific content. I don't understand why they removed the Confession stack from Cure 1 and 2 instead of adding it to every healing spell.
That would have made for a very versatile heal that could be used either as a tank or group heal changing along the needs of different battles.

[deos]

Likely because you haven't done the content where it's actually rather powerful? [...] Giving the class that's already the strongest aoe healer another significant advantage over SCH/AST isn't that great an idea given how incredibly healing centric the latter half of this savage tier is. I'm sorry that you can't see that =(

i don't raid, so that's that. haven’t even done the SB ex primals yet.
if the skill is good for raiders, that's great! but for everybody not raiding (which is over 50% of all players) this skill just has very little usage. the only thing it can reliable be used for is +150 potency after an aoe heal from time to time, which is very underwhelming. i hope you can see what i mean. the skill simply needs a little push so it is useful in raids AND in non-raid content.

[LathusWHM]

The only thing I wish they would change about plenary at this point is:

Only give us one stack
Increase potency to 200
Allow buff to last 20 seconds

3 Stacks isn't really beneficial as it almost never happens.

BUT PLENARY IS JUST FINE, they will probably tune it further but please, PLEASE STOP COMPLAINING AND LEARN HOW TO PLAY YOUR CLASS.

/rantoff

[Jybril]

The only thing I wish they would change about plenary at this point is:

Only give us one stack
Increase potency to 200
Allow buff to last 20 seconds

3 Stacks isn't really beneficial as it almost never happens.

BUT PLENARY IS JUST FINE, they will probably tune it further but please, PLEASE STOP COMPLAINING AND LEARN HOW TO PLAY YOUR CLASS.

/rantoff

Umm, people need to complain because this skill
still sucks. People keep telling us where and how to use it but with all the effort I rather just assize. at least I get MP back.
I'd even take 30 seconds back so I have breathing room.
the duration is one of its biggest problems.

it's a raid skill and shouldn't be. your grand final skill is useful in a tiny handful of current content. I look so cool using it but ill rarely be using it xD