Request for Super Easy difficulty

[Eyvhokan]

That's just easy mode.

In Super Easy mode, the boss pulls you and creates a wall to protect you from his donut AoE.
Railings everywhere!
When Enrage timer hits, the boss kills himself.

In Ikaruga, the last boss kills itself when it hits the timer.

[JunseiKei]

I need no data sheet. Anyone who plays, create or follows mmos knows the fact of that. I do not know you personally so I cannot say for certain if you are the bad kind of elite. But telling someone to play another game if they can't handle it sounds that way.

I am saying that Extreme, savage, or super savage are the hardest contents in this game not Omega specifically. I'd recommend to someone with a disability I care for to play something easier myself. However as a company you want the widest type of players to play the game. It's why games like Dark Souls are popular but not to the degree of say Star Wars or offline FF, easier caters to the broadest spectrum of players. All people improve, but sometimes there is a ceiling they cannot overcome.

Easing content and having big quality of life things lessens the skill gap, where as making super difficult things widens that gap. That was the whole purpose of SE trying to revamp the battle classes.

You can be the best of the best on the server and have BiS. And you would deserve that and I recognize you as being good if that is the case too. The world has doctors and actors, the world has supermarket cashiers and factory workers. The game has casuals for story and strive to perfection raiders.

All people are getting a fix here and all people are great at something. So let's not belittle, run off, or make fun of people just because they are not as good at a particular thing as you or me or ask for their own type of content.

Actually it was more of a ploy that you'd not be able to bring up any data at all, only a perception that you'd more likely to run into casuals than elite or hardcore players (especially if you take those people to assume they do not like running with/into bad players and simply play with their friends and maintain a perceived scarcity). I was also pointing out that people that are actually incapable of playing the game will infinitely find themselves struggling in the game to do anything. Like my friend, who is deaf, was actively excluded from raid groups because of his disability. "You can't hear call outs" was the reasoning. Our group took him in and he's been one of the best players our community has had (no longer raids with us and managed to find a raid group willing to work with him and better fit his schedule). The rest are lazy; perfectly capable, but wanting easier passes. I also said the "bad" elite is the misused term that was widely spread, a thing that happens quite often, but sure, if you want to say I think people are inferior to me, go ahead. You'd be completely wrong, though, but I won't try and change your mind. You sound decided on it.

I can't really comment on Dark Souls other than it has a lot of cheap tricks to use that a lot of people tend to fall for. The first and last time I watched someone play it, I told them things like, "there's a cliff-face with a corner; you're gonna get ambushed and pushed off" or "dark building, can't see in it at all, narrow path leading to it; that's a trap" and watched him run into these things and die. They really play on people's lack of awareness for the most part. The boss battles look great, mostly (aside from a couple of less than favorable circumstances), but that's just my opinion. Or my age is showing because these things have been seen in various games before.

Extreme, savage and super savage (not yet in game) are stepping stones in difficulty. Open world mobs, story dungeons, trials, trial-primal/ hard-primal, normal raid, 24 man raid, extreme primal, savage raid. That's the difficulty I'd rank them for various reasons, but mostly boiling down to how well you can sustain DPS/healing/tanking while performing mechanics and keeping awareness of your surroundings. I'd actually rank the last 24 man, Dun Scaith, above any of the extreme primals in terms of difficulty because of the awareness needed for the final fight especially, but because you have 24 people, you've given quite a lot of room for messing up, making the difficulty almost pointless. Anyway, what I'm saying is there is already compensation to progress based on what you can accomplish. If you cannot do Omega normal, you have the weekly cap that you can grind out from hunts and trials. It's not like you're completely impeded from progression, like you would be in other MMOs. Well, I guess in most MMOs, you can simply throw the currency at the market board since most armor is buyable.

With the gap in battle classes having been closed, though, it should mean more people can clear these things as a difficulty hurdle was drastically reduced.

I think you misunderstand. I don't belittle people for any short comings they might have. I usually work with them, but I can also see futility and frustration as highly destructive things and I won't expect someone to suffer. That doesn't mean I want to see any difficulty or reason to advance completely deminished or removed from a team- style game like this. It's for that reason there shouldn't be extra modes for dungeons. Last I checked, the only reason normal raids were even placed in was because people were upset they got locked out from the story that happened in Coil. You know, the conclusion to the cinematic played at the title screen.

Not Really. Sophia normal doesn't teach you anything you need to know for extreme. even the tilt mechanic. in normal mode players just stand in the middle of the arean and completely ignore the tilts. you only slide across maybe 45% of the arena so if you're in the middle 10% you will never fall off. thus the tilts can be completely ignored.

zurvans another one. the soar in normal mode was nothing like the soar in extreme mode. and that's why so many players had problems with it and couldn't do that simple mechanic even though they'd cleared normal they had no clue at all how to deal with extreme..


which is basically everyone. the no bonus is to filter out players that haven't cleared content because the failure rate with those players in a party is incredibly high. that's why no one touched extreme primals in the duty finder because it was almost guaranteed to be a waste of time because of players with bonus...

the fact that everything already has an easy mode is why the player base is so fragmented and the no bonus culture exists.... if a normal mode fight was actually remotely difficult and similar to its extreme / savage mode counter part. then players would be a lot more willing to accept those bonus players into partys for those hard modes because the fact they cleared the normal modes would show they at least grasp the basics of the fight and have a minimum proficiency..

as it stands though the normal modes for most things are almost impossible to fail and teach players absolutely nothing.. even omega normal. the first one of those we 1 shot and didn't learn any of the mechanics at all. done that fight a dozen times and I still don't know some of the mechanics. but the reality is they can just be ignored anyway so not worth paying any attention to or trying to figure them out...

my earlier post was in response to someone saying a super easy mode would create a divide in the playerbase. and then cause problems when those players are mixed together. I simply said that already happens.. and it does.

when they added raid finder players complained that they couldn't get parties for extreme primals because everyone was using the duty complete option to filter out bonuses and thus excluding them and separating the player base... basically they wanted experienced players to carry them. and experienced players didn't want to waste there time with that stuff. which is why they added the raid finder in the first place.

the games difficulty already creates a massive split in the playerbase

Nothing, you say? So, Sophia normal doesn't teach you that you will slide toward the heaviest side? That you go to the side of less tethers/ odd number of tethers is a soft tilt? Of course, yes, in normal mode, you only get soft tilts and can simply sit at the middle of the stage, even if you get hit by invulnerability stacks from Sophia or her head. The adds in normal don't teach you that one confuses, one puts down ice and the other parries (and I think that might still knockback)? That you take more damage being close to the weights players drop? That her giant circle AoE has a safe spot in her hitbox, even though there's no indicator in EX, as goes with thunder II being a front cleave? That's the point of these story dungeons- to make them as brain- numbingly easy as they can do people are not gated. Unfortunately, there's no reason to try when you will almost always succeed. However, my point still stands. The normal version does teach the basics of the fight for those that care to pay attention. Extreme takes the same mechanics and gives them a slight twist while adding new ones and making everything more punishing overall.

I honestly don't remember soar in zurvan normal. I think I've only ever done zurvan normal once. I wouldn't say it was how different that threw people off, it's always been how to judge the two "hard" areas that are safe (usually NW and SE) and people getting thrown off that you judge it by relation to the tank, not the map. I was never part of the skip soar or disband/kick crowd, but people struggling with the mechanic, I found, quickly mastered it when you explained it to them like that (and if they still struggled, I told 'em to follow me and notice the placement- :P played healer so I could stack on their placement).

Which brings us to the next topic: no bonus. Many people in these "farm" parties often struggled with this mechanic. Many were never taught it; they were either carried with high enough DPS parties to not hit it, or those parties hit it and could not explain it and would disband. You can't teach what you, yourself, don't comprehend, but if you say anything, you'd look foolish, if not a hypocrite. So people just disband and avoid the situation altogether. I've seen a couple try and buff through an explanation; it was funny to me, but when you try to softly correct them I found the situation just gets worse, no matter how polite you try to be. For some reason, pride over group cooperation and success means more on the NA servers (I can't speak for EU nor will I try).

However, people will always have the ability to say what they have time for. If they have no time to teach people a new fight, it's well within their right to exclude others. Even without the no bonus message, this would be the case, as it was well before then in other games.

It's a bit disheartening to hear you can clear the fights without understanding the mechanics, but at least it might mean you have a grasp on them even if you don't realize it. Hopefully. Maybe? *Sweatdrops.* The savage versions of 1 and 2 in Omega are so similar it's almost boring, but still stands by what I said. These were things for story and not to be gated upon. While it's more difficult than most dungeons run for the main story or leveling, it was never intended to be hard enough to completely gate people. The fact that people are asking for an even easier version is mind boggling to me. If people that do not even know the mechanics can clear it, then why are people asking for an even easier version?

I also can't help but wonder why can't people create a new party finder to learn fights, or ask friends to teach them, if experienced strangers don't wish to invest their time in someone else. I'd would dare say that while there is a difficulty in the game in between jumps, it's ultimately the players causing the split between players; those that don't wish to invest their time in someone unwilling to learn and those that do not wish to invest their time in learning what is already being asked.

[NinjaTaru72]

Introducing.... Omega (Gentle)

Omega uses pat on back, you instantly win.

[Montt]

Introducing.... Omega (Gentle)

Now I want this content ;D

[Rokke]

I don’t think SE would ever spend manpower to make this, but I would be ok with an easy mode if:

1. it was not added to any roulette
2. it had no rewards or only dropped 1 set piece of gear
3. it did not count towards story progression

Hall of Novice was a step in the right direction, but I think an extension could help some folks that still struggle along.

[Arutan]

I hope this is a joke thread 'cause if it isn't I don't have any answer that isn't rude

[Sandpark]

No, it is not a perception. It is a fact, that a certain demographic of games outnumber the other. I forgot what census I read on this game, but most people according to that didn't even reach the level cap, how the heck would they be knee deep in raids, if even the MSQ is too long winded or difficult? The raiding articles are educated opinion though. I do not like linking articles, because everyone can look up stuff themselves. But I don't like being accused of using some ploy or sideways tactics to make a point.

The game needs more midcore and casual content than what is currently offered. If clears or participation are anywhere south of 70% of the playerbase, then that content has failed to deliver what it should. No the rest of the game is not what I mean, you get new raid content, I want a new kind of content in patches too.

Hey, it's great there is special content for raiders, who want super difficult challenge so they can be at the top of the food chain. I want a more flexible system for smaller groups and solo/duo. Challenging but not so much that animosity is spread among individuals or ridiculing because it is simpler than x super savage extreme chaotic version.

http://essentialfacts.theesa.com/Ess...Facts-2016.pdf

https://www.engadget.com/2014/11/24/...aiding-part-1/

https://www.engadget.com/2014/11/25/...aiding-part-2/

https://www.engadget.com/2014/11/26/...aiding-part-3/

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Thank you, it's a good article.

SE already got it right when they put unlocking Savage/Extreme behind minstrel and that Allagan test probe. Savage/Extreme are basically daydream/song versions
of the actual story fight. How can BiS drop in something that supposed to be reminiscing runs? That would be the hardcore raiders fault (and partly SE for giving in to their whine).
By wanting a harder content, they actually made the mistake of making it easy. They should put glamors/mount/title on it, there should not be any gear drops at all.

Savage/Extreme only need a very tiny change, no minimum ilevel. Unlocking should be way past msq and at max ilevel.
Let the hardcore raiders have rare title 'I beat this dungeon 100 ilevels below'. Up to them if they want to run in hundreds of times.

[Zhao]

To some degree, I actually (genuinely) agree with this proposal. Quite literally, the only trials I actually enjoy getting these days are the 2 that involve Gilgamesh and the one Hildy trial with the stage. Even Sophia and Thordan are just kinda lame to get. While they are easy and particularly pretty, I enjoy getting those trials because of the sheer fun they turn out to be.
Mechanics? What're those?
People are playing frogger while getting chased by chickens and getting their salad tossed.
Meanwhile miniatures are wailing on the boss while people are confused and beating up other players.
Healer died from chains? Rezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Knockbacks? You're disqualified!

I won't deny that these fights can be annoying, but at the times when they are most trivial, I feel like they're the most enjoyable.

[Hyperia]

Pure story mode with no work? We already have that, it's YouTube.com