Request for Super Savage difficulty

[Zarabeth]

I did all the work to gt my relic weapons back when the cap was lvl 50. They are still sitting on a mule. So what if people can get them easily now? It in no way diminishes what I did. Nor does it bother me that people can easily do coil now. Again, so what? It in no way diminishes what I did when it was still hard to do. (I didn't get a chance to finish it back then because I got distracted by other shiny things).

I am 100% against this elitist crap.

[MyaValentine]

I am 100% against this elitist crap.

what you a most of this community fail to understand is that is not about YOU is not about THEM is about myself I could not care less if they get everything I got easier I couln't care less if do it easier why I do care is working hard on something then look back and realize if i waited a couple of month i could do what I did for half the effort I put in the first place. You don't care your effort meant nothing? I do, I did relic because this was the first mmo i played and I've never done a grind so intense in any other game, I dislike the looking back reflecting on the amount of time I had to put farming atmas only to see now I could achieve the same 3 times faster, I do value my time a little more and I do like a challenge you don't win a championship and the go back next year and win it easier because you are more experienced, to win again you have to put the same amount of effort to win it again, to lift 345+ PR on a deadlift you have to work hard and if you want to beat your PR you have to put the same amount of effort. this game is the only game were your efforts means nothing because it will become easier next month.

that been said is only a fight having 1 fight in the game require effort is not that bad for yall to trough a tamtrun like if the sky is falling. Ultimately is up the devs so I'm done with this discussion.

[missybee]

You don't care your effort meant nothing?

The effort did mean something when the reward was relevant.

Modern MMOs favor vertical progression, and that's just how it goes. If the achievement was worth it / meant something to you at the time, I really don't see what the issue is.

Square Enix has already confirmed Super Savage, so it is coming. If you are among the first to beat it, that is awesome! If it takes you two years to beat it, that's fine too. None of our pixels are going to matter at some point. The most important thing is that we are having fun now.

[Lambdafish]

I am 100% against this elitist crap.

This statement does you a disservice, the thread has already devolved into but, if when you say elitist, we call the other side entitled, see how this works? I have simply asked for a mechanics request for a piece of content that I care about and would like to see have increased longevity and more meaning if I am going to be spending months trying to clear it. Calling that elitist does make you come across as entitled to the nerf, but also makes you ignorant of A) the purpose of the content, and B) the hard work that the people that clear it when it is "relevant" put in.

This is not some elitist crusade to deny people content, it is a QoL request to improve the reward structure of the game. Whatever super savage is, it is a fight that already exists in the game in another form, people aren't losing anything by not being able to clear it, but if it is nerfed then those that want that kind of content do lose something.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

People seem to forget they are reusing old assets. The resource cost to establish an instance area and scale some numbers isn't remotely comparable to creating something new from whole cloth. Simply put, you would get nothing else if they opted not to do this. Regardless, if we're going to only cater to a majority, that line of logic can be applied elsewhere. Should Machinist be deleted since by SE's own estimations only 5% of people have even bothered leveling it to 60? What about crafting or gathering? I suspect more people cleared Creator than crafted. Should they stop bothering with that too? Brutal difficulty is a single encounter using minimal resources to reward hardcore raiders. If it winds up not being popular, the devs may not continue. But to whine about its inclusion now is simply selfish.

[Zarabeth]

This is not some elitist crusade to deny people content

That is EXACTLY what this is. You don't want people to be able to get titles/mounts/minions that you have.
My point is that there is absolutely no reason to do this other than to cater to a very small percentage of the population who don't want others to be able to get what they have. I'm sure a lot of people want these things too but simply don't have the time to spend doing raids or simply are unable to do them. In my case I don't much care about these things but I do enjoy messing with the fights. I have a lot of nerve damage in my arms so can't really do the super hard fights as my fingers don't always do as they're told. Why should I not be allowed to play in these dungeons or ever get the rewards? Would you rather they simply made all the content easy so everyone could clear it right off?

[Lambdafish]

That is EXACTLY what this is. You don't want people to be able to get titles/mounts/minions that you have.

Or you could ignore what I said in its entirety to further your agenda For every time you say I'm denying you rewards (for content you aren't even willing to do until it is nerfed), I will say you are denying me longevity for content that I am invested in from the start. What you are doing is exactly like me asking for dungeons to require statics (i.e. taking your content and bringing it up to my level).

Go complain on the PVP forum thread that you want the ranked 1st place trophy furnishing for your house (which 1 person per data center gets every season, far less than super savage), you have clearly made a case that it should be easily obtainable by everyone.

[Zarabeth]

Or you could ignore what I said in its entirety to further your agenda

As you obviously did to me. I already stated I don't need the prizes I just like to be able to mess around with ALL of the content. They could take away all of the rewards and I'd be fine with it.

[Lambdafish]

As you obviously did to me. I already stated I don't need the prizes I just like to be able to mess around with ALL of the content. They could take away all of the rewards and I'd be fine with it.

can we put in a restriction that this fight cannot be level synced, and that it has an ilvl cap, or at the very least have it so that this is the condition for obtaining any mounts/minions/glamour/titles that it may drop.

Why did you even bring up entitlement over rewards if you don't care about them?

What you just said about rewards I said in the original post............................

[aleph_null]

My only concern with this is that when new lvl caps are introduced they often make adjustments to lower lvl skills and traits, and the jobs are usually balanced around their full potential at lvl cap. If you have hard contents below lvl cap that can't be unsynced, then the devs need to take into account balance at lvls below cap, and that's extra work.

For example right now they'd have to balance lv 60 synced jobs against the old 3.x counterparts if we have unsyncable lv 60 hard contents, otherwise there's a possibility that those contents are too easy or too hard to clear now with our "new" lv 60 jobs. Even back in 3.5 if you go min ilv gordias it won't feel the same as back in 3.0-3.1 due to job adjustments (pld dps buffs, ast card and heal buffs, mch and brd buffs from 3.2 and 3.3). Ofc you can argue that 4.0 was an exception since it changed so many stuffs like cross class system, job gauges, major changes to jobs like brd, mch, war, while 3.0 changed much less when it comes to lv 50 jobs/contents, but I'm certain we'll see expansions that change many things again in the future, even if it's not every single expansion down the line.

Is it worth the extra effort for the devs to keep rebalancing old contents for new jobs, and/or rebalancing new jobs for old contents?