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    RyuujinZERO's Avatar
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    For some reason they removed the DoTs from most of the classes because it was 'busywork' you had to maintain even though it had a role in AoE DPS that required judgement, yet kept all of the 'pure busywork' damage boost skills like Heavy Thrust and Hot Shot that have no function other than being a button you must press every X seconds, or lose a chunk of your DPS.

    The mind boggles...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO View Post
    For some reason they removed the DoTs from most of the classes because it was 'busywork' you had to maintain even though it had a role in AoE DPS that required judgement, yet kept all of the 'pure busywork' damage boost skills like Heavy Thrust and Hot Shot that have no function other than being a button you must press every X seconds, or lose a chunk of your DPS.

    The mind boggles...
    Monk still has Twin Snakes buff as well. I feel like Monk would be boring if they took out Dragon Kick, Twin Snakes and Demolish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO View Post
    For some reason they removed the DoTs from most of the classes because it was 'busywork' you had to maintain even though it had a role in AoE DPS that required judgement, yet kept all of the 'pure busywork' damage boost skills like Heavy Thrust and Hot Shot that have no function other than being a button you must press every X seconds, or lose a chunk of your DPS.

    The mind boggles...
    To be fair, Hot Shot would require a ton more work than just "remove button, put effect on something else" or whatever. It's tied into just about every single MCH job quest, they'd have to completely rework the entire questline from the ground up. Still isn't a button that should exist anymore though.

    Quote Originally Posted by YitharV2 View Post
    Monk still has Twin Snakes buff as well. I feel like Monk would be boring if they took out Dragon Kick, Twin Snakes and Demolish.
    Twin Snakes isn't a random button, it's part of their buff/debuff combo. MNK also has a completely different button setup/design, so isn't really directly comparable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kattzkitti View Post
    To be fair, Hot Shot would require a ton more work than just "remove button, put effect on something else" or whatever. It's tied into just about every single MCH job quest, they'd have to completely rework the entire questline from the ground up. Still isn't a button that should exist anymore though.
    Turn it into the PVP version of Hot Shot. If you're below 50 heat, it generates 25 heat, turns into Cooldown above 50 heat. It now has a legit use, and doesn't break the MCH questline.

    Heavy Thrust... really should go, it's just inane now, even more so since it doesn't even chain into Ring of Thorns anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckett View Post
    To be fair, it's not so much a flame war as it's 12 pages of people agreeing the OP is an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kattzkitti View Post
    Twin Snakes isn't a random button, it's part of their buff/debuff combo. MNK also has a completely different button setup/design, so isn't really directly comparable.
    It's true that it has a different design with the stances, but I did play Lancer up to 35 for B4B and I kind of setup the buttons very similarly based. Like for Monk I have Bootshine - True Strike - Snap Punch - Dragon Kick - Twin Snakes - Demolish. Heavy Thrust felt similar to Maim (although they switched it so Storm's Eye is a self-buff now) and Twin Snakes to be honest? The only difference is that Heavy Thrust doesn't chain off True Thrust or anything like Warrior does with Heavy Swing or Monk does with Dragon Kick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO View Post
    For some reason they removed the DoTs from most of the classes because it was 'busywork' you had to maintain even though it had a role in AoE DPS that required judgement, yet kept all of the 'pure busywork' damage boost skills like Heavy Thrust and Hot Shot that have no function other than being a button you must press every X seconds, or lose a chunk of your DPS.

    The mind boggles...
    They'll probably be the next to go next expansion.

    Honestly I hope many of the PVP combos become a reality in PVE.
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    Celie Lothaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    Honestly I hope many of the PVP combos become a reality in PVE.
    Could work for the melee chain combos at the very least - not so much for Bard outside of putting our two dots together in a single button, and I'd think some of the casters might find it more cumbersome than useful for more than a few specific abilities.
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