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  1. #1
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    DamianFatale's Avatar
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    Arctura Fengari
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    Reduce Confession Stacks to Two

    I think that White Mage should have its confession stacks reduced to two. If SE did that, and then boosted the remaining two slightly, it would actually make them a lot more useful. They just shouldn't go too low, or too high. Otherwise it's just too OP, or too UU.
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    Deuxclydion's Avatar
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    Lecroia Furinax
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    Personally I'd like it if Confession stacks still lasted 30 seconds, so I could start prepping for hard-hitting mechanics well in advance of the actual hit, but I understand why they didn't go that route.
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    Mako Hext
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    They completely missed what was wrong with PI, and the result is a button that's even worse in most ways. Maybe they'll figure it out on the third pass, although I don't have much hope since they couldn't see the very simple and easy to fix problems it had in the first place.
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    Ali Lifesaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by kattzkitti View Post
    They completely missed what was wrong with PI, and the result is a button that's even worse in most ways. Maybe they'll figure it out on the third pass, although I don't have much hope since they couldn't see the very simple and easy to fix problems it had in the first place.
    PI is very useful in savage fights.
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    Junpei Iorii
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    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    PI is very useful in savage fights.
    And that's part of the problem.
    Shouldn't be a "Savage" skill because only a tiny
    portion of players even do it.
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    Lorelei Diangelo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jybril View Post
    And that's part of the problem.
    Shouldn't be a "Savage" skill because only a tiny
    portion of players even do it.
    Do you really never cast an AOE heal in the entire rest of the game??? Is Medica II really the only solution you can think of to an AOE problem, even if a Medica + 1-stack Plenary chaser would be more efficient (costs less mana, Med II is usually a ton of overheal in faceroll content)?

    Yes, it's primarily a Savage raid ability, but guess what? So are Synastry and Lightspeed. Sure, I could push them in dungeons for the lulz, but it's not practical and it's not efficient and the only way I truly get mileage out of them is by using them in EX primals or Savage raids. Sometimes the redonk throughput cooldowns they give healers in this game just aren't needed at the casual level. C'est la vie.
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    Adam Fylrmyn
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Jybril View Post
    And that's part of the problem.
    Shouldn't be a "Savage" skill because only a tiny
    portion of players even do it.
    Just because it's useful in Savage, doesn't mean it was designed specifically around it. Plenary Indulgence is meant to be used as a supplementary heal on top of your usual AoE healing.
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    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Kosmos Meishou
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    Behemoth
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamFyi View Post
    Just because it's useful in Savage, doesn't mean it was designed specifically around it. Plenary Indulgence is meant to be used as a supplementary heal on top of your usual AoE healing.
    Agreed. I still dislike the terminology associated with Plenary Indulgence. White Mages and Conjurers are attuned with the forces of nature, their magic comes from that. This 'confession' nonsense sounds far more Ishgardian than Gridanian, and IMHO would have been far, far, more suited to AST.

    All of that said, PI is essentially a MP free Medica 3, but with a potency that's almost random event (not RNG, but similar in effect) driven. While not strictly RNG, PI depends on the random occurrence of events as to whether or not you can build 3 'confessions'. I think the duration of the 'confessions' is too short to be practical outside very specific circumstances, and you almost have to either be in content that demands that you spam Medica, or you sacrifice single target heals in order to build your confessions. The duration should be lengthened to 20 seconds. 30 is too long IMHO, although I definitely would not be opposed to it. But 10 seconds is barely enough time using regular GCD skills to build the confessions needed without one falling off the end and resulting in a stack of 2 instead.

    Oh, and I REALLY dislike the name of this mechanic, did I mention that? WHM are not freaking priests taking confessions. That would seem far more appropriate with a healer based in the culture of the Holy See in Ishgard...like Astrologian. Can we please redo this entire skill and lodge it much more into the lore of White Mage and call it something else? Please? Pretty Please? Pretty please with lilies on top?
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    Last edited by Kosmos992k; 07-24-2017 at 11:54 PM.

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    Lillian Mandragora
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    Leviathan
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    White Mage Lv 70
    In O1S, there is a point where an aoe goes out, and then another aoe which is then followed by Charybdis. If you time it just right (allows a couple seconds wiggle room) you can get a 3 stack PI off for Charybdis after its cast. Granted that is with somewhat careful timing. There are some other fights and situations where you can try and time the heals to get 2-3 stack PIs off but really just adding even 5 seconds to the lasting time would make it so much better and that's purely for some extra wiggle room.

    This move is fine as is and I think timing the aoe heals instead of spamming them like most people seem to want to do would resolve most issues people have with the time, not all but most.. WHM is predominately a reactionary healer and as such 10s is just fine, but thats my opinion on the matter.
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    Last edited by Lildragora; 07-24-2017 at 06:04 PM.

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    Mootown Cow
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    Leviathan
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    PI is fine and needs zero changes. Please do not change it, square enix.
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