Can Summoners Get Some Of These Combat Changes?

[Magic-Mal]

Just started leveling summoner myself (just hit 62) and I am not quite sure what the major problem is.

It's simple really. You're lv62. Get to lv70 and you realize how far behind you get in the damage race.

Lv60 -> Lv70 and the only attack you get are Demi-Bahamut at 70. Without stacks you are stuck to individually casting both DoTs on every enemy which is 800 potency after 30secs. Compare it to a BRD with Mage's Ballad who can use Quick Nock(100 potency) every GCD and Rain of Death almost every GCD. With BRD DoTs being like.. 600 potency more than SMN DoTs after 30secs. And I'm not even including Raging Strikes.

Being a BRD main, I can tell you it's stronger now. Unless you use all of your resources as SMN meaning your single-target damage will be pretty much nothing.

You do know you don't have to be right next to Ifrit while fighting a mob, right? If the aoe is center around the mob, use garuda.

Except you can't "just use Garuda". Because it requires a 6 second cast and a huge chunk of your MP to bring out. Wanna use Ifrit again? 6 second cast and another huge chunk of your MP.

[zcrash970]

I'm still wondering what SMNs doing with their pets to need Sustain so much.

QUOTE=Ruinfeild;4328578]Just started leveling summoner myself (just hit 62) and I am not quite sure what the major problem is. I mean, I see the list but I feel like I was doing more than enough damage both single and AoE to be useful in the dungeon. The only thing I can agree with is the sustain considering it makes no sense to have a pet that you can't heal.[/QUOTE]

In all honesty, they are blowing it out of proportion. Does SMN have problems? Oh most definitely, but the only major one is the punisshment for dying.
BLM and SMN are sloppy when compared to RDM. RDM has power, mobility, sustainability, and utility all while being extremely easy to play

[MrSmiley]

I'm still wondering what SMNs doing with their pets to need Sustain so much.

Solo content, as well as ifrit being hit by aoes but not being an easy target for healers

[zcrash970]

Solo content, as well as ifrit being hit by aoes but not being an easy target for healers

You do know you don't have to be right next to Ifrit while fighting a mob, right? If the aoe is center around the mob, use garuda. And besides if it's a world boss aoe, your egi, besides titan, is probaly going to get one shotted

[MrSmiley]

You do know you don't have to be right next to Ifrit while fighting a mob, right? If the aoe is center around the mob, use garuda. And besides if it's a world boss aoe, your egi, besides titan, is probaly going to get one shotted

Uh... What does you being next to ifrit have to do with him getting cleaved constantly. Also if the answer is "use garuda" then that proves the problem. Almost everything that matters has aoes. not seeing your reasoning as to why they shouldnt get sustain back. Also, you didn't address titan issues in solo. Which is part of the game, even if not major.

also they take enough reduced aoe to not get one-shotted, do you actually play smn? Even if its garuda, they have no good way to heal their own pet and cannot rely on others.

[Viridiana_Sovari]

1. If you let your pet die you need to be punished, this is how they do that. You have swiftcast on a 1 minute GCD if you do happen to let your pet die so it really isn't that punishing...

2. Not needed and would be OP. We can match most other jobs AoE dps while beating them in single target focus on a target. That is our AoE flavor. If they give us spammable AoE then they need to nerf other parts of our AoE kit because then we are OP again.

3. There are other more pressing issues with gameplay that need to be addressed. DoTs feel hollow with only having 2 and them both being on the same timer. Ruin spam 95% of the time is boring, Ruin IV requiring no interaction from the player is boring, Bahamut was just them be lazy and is ultimately boring. If they want to shift focus to pets that is fine, but make interacting with them engaging. But that would also require them to make pets more responsive....so probably not a good idea for them to go that route since it is still an issue 4 years later.

4. Not needed. Only thing you need sustain for is POTD solo runs. If we get it cool, by no means a priority though. Wasting GCDs on sustain is a dps loss. Manage your pet and if it does die the swiftcast summon.

5. SMN damage isn't the issue. RDM is just better, period. They have too much utility and are too good for progression. RDM utility needs to be hit. Not to mention SMN is punished very heavily for deaths. If they touch anything other than making the gameplay more interesting this is it.

6. Again they just need to fix pet responsiveness in general. Not holding my breath though.

7. Again, not needed. They need to make the class more engaging by fixing other things.

[greenguy]

You do know you don't have to be right next to Ifrit while fighting a mob, right? If the aoe is center around the mob, use garuda. And besides if it's a world boss aoe, your egi, besides titan, is probaly going to get one shotted

Umm what? besides even if we just use garuda, aoe's in intance content reach the entire room or go all over the place, its a bit much to ask to dps and micro mange where the egi is at all times (plus they dot respond fast enough even if you tried). And God forbid if an egi gets poisoned and all you can do is watch its HP drop like a rock. We need sustain back period.

[Kaurhz]

I'm still wondering what SMNs doing with their pets to need Sustain so much.

QUOTE=Ruinfeild;4328578]snip

As you said it's just how sloppy the play feels and just in general it feels like the class was a quick put together. (Or was that the person you quoted). I understand that it's partially down to the job coming from ACN, which also has SCH. Maybe how bad it is, is blown out of proportion, but how boring it is, definitely isn't and that's what skews a lot of it. I've seen SMN still pull off some pretty good DPS.

As for the pets, it was possible to never really need to use sustain in grouped content, but doing so would complicate the job significantly I think, but perhaps I'm just bad at the job. Sustain was lovely to have around in that circumstance. The initial phase in Thordan (Extreme) is one place I'd highlight where I've used sustain quite a bit. Having the pets in the party list would be nice, for some.

[Awful]

I miss Blizzard II in Dreadwyrm after spamming my DoTs D: then Deathflaring after...what do I do now? Play the worlds smallest violin while seeing the damage drop off. But yeah I agree Smn needs some changes they're in a bad spot, Rdm and Blm are just better compared to Smn.

[Angry_Evil]

After clearing O3S with smn(320 overmelded gear helped with dps a little) I kinda want something that will refresh my aetherflow. Something like scholar has or mb CD that refresh it once in 360sec. So u could have emergency stacks. Also they need to make DWT more impactful, when I use it I feel like it's dps loss without ruination, and u can't always have it in dwt cause u're saving it for bahamut. Also I super failed to do even 10 wyrmwaves cause u need to run a lot on o3s and stupid thing is flying around lol... Meanwhile 319 ilvl BLM can do 4.5k on this fight D=. I'd say - remove devotion and give use like ~200 dps instead or make ruin3 cheap so we can actually use it as filler.
PS
Oh and waiting 60s every wipe SUCKS. Are we the only job that needs this now? jeez...
Oh also - garuda died to dragon cleave somehow around time I summoned bahamut - it failed olol.

I miss Blizzard II in Dreadwyrm after spamming my DoTs D: then Deathflaring after...what do I do now? Play the worlds smallest violin while seeing the damage drop off. But yeah I agree Smn needs some changes they're in a bad spot, Rdm and Blm are just better compared to Smn.

No, you just r3 spam all day erryday and see aoe numbers compared to BLM