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  1. #1
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    MeliaAntiqua's Avatar
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    Melia Antiqua
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    Odin
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    The problem is the randomness of crits. As a healer you want to have an entire fight planned out in your head and thats the goal for a healer during progression. Having truely mastered a fight means having every spellcast and every ogcd planned ahead of time so no healing gets wasted and dps gets maximized (of course this is just an ideal world, mistakes happen). And as long as the fights in FF14 are as scripted as they are, crits on a healer are not worth anything usually. Sure a crit at a good timing can save you one additional heal but you can never plan with this crit heal. Therefore the crit trait of Adloquium puts it in a weird spot. The current 300 potency shield feels too weak in many situations and the other healers are just better in that regard (AST shield for example is 575 potency in shielding alone). The crit however turns Adlo into a 600 potency shield that is oviously a crit (let's assume a crit modifier of 1.5 just for arguments sake), that means it is a 900 potency shield. That is a massive difference. If I had to choose between a 300 potency shield that sometimes is a 900 potency shield and a flat 575 potency shield, I would take the 575 shield all of the time. I would even take a 450 potency shield over a 300/sometimes 900 shield. Healing in FF14 is all about reliability. Adlos crit triat just contradicts the foundation of healing in this game and is therefore useless in almost all scenarios. Why is the new Qickened Aetherflow trait so incredibly more useful than the old one? No rng involved. And right now I really feel like the crit trait on Adlo is the only thing preventing SE from buffing it to compete with AST shields. It does not need to be on par because a Noct AST has no faerie to back him up. However I feel like nearly double the potency is a bit too much. A deployed Adlo is straight up worse than an Asp.Helios. Thats why I fell 450 potency in shielding is a valid suggestion but the crit trait would turn that into a 1350 shield which is too insane. Thats the reasoning behind me disliking the crit trait on Adloquium.
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    Dia Beetus
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    Paladin Lv 80
    I know it may be totally op but i would kill for an ability that guaranteed crit on adlo or succor on a 2 min cooldown...
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    Riyshn'a Nhise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phileas View Post
    I know it may be totally op but i would kill for an ability that guaranteed crit on adlo or succor on a 2 min cooldown...
    Succor doesn't have the same crit feature as Adlo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riyshn View Post
    Succor doesn't have the same crit feature as Adlo.
    Ahhh that sucks...well a guaranteed crit adlo would be useful to plan even if its on a long CD.
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    Dyne Hyden
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    Lamia
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    Gladiator Lv 8
    Just my thoughts.

    Give Physick a small potency increase to 425 with a 15% chance to cause your next adlo to crit. (Still weaker than WHM, which it should be and adds the nice effect that every other healer class gets with their first cure)

    Adlo still cost too much for what it is. I am sure everyone is using emergency tactics with it as our cure 2, but you really need to be careful with it. doable but be careful.

    Dissipation needs to resummon the fairy after use time has expired.

    Let Excogitation cast a shield at the end of its 45 seconds if not used.

    SE has the right idea with Aetherpact ability. (I do enjoy more interaction with our pet now). I still think it is way too weak for 70 move, but still useful in a few tight spots. If you have the 3 to 5 seconds it takes to start it.

    Rework Selene. Silent Dawn is pointless and Fey Wind in my opinion really needs an update.

    Short and to the point. Loving Savage with my SCH. I don't think a ton needs to be done, just minor fixes.
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    Last edited by Justin_Uriel; 07-26-2017 at 02:30 PM.

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    Scox Littletoes
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Seleene needs some serious love. She used to be my girl and now she's a late night drunk dial booty call at best.
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    Ichi Exorz
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    I'm just a newbie SCH & i'm enjoying the class a lot so far but there are a few points I feel that needs some working on.

    In general I feel like SCH schields should be in line with AST schields. Either AST shields need some nerfing or SCH shields need some buffing.

    I feel like Adlo & Succor need a little buff.
    -Adlo: Reduce the healing potency by 50 (to 250 heal potency) but double the shield potency. (maybe remove the crit part of the skill to make it in line with AST's equivalent.)

    -Succor: Increase healing potency to 250 but nerf shield potency to 50% (125 potency)
    SCH already has good aoe shielding with Adlo & Deployment Tactics but lacks some decent GCD AoEhealing. Succor would still be ok to migitate less damaging aoe's.

    Or instead of buffing Adlo & Succor give SCH a tool to make their next heal crit & give Succor a double shield on crit effect as well. Maybe rework Emergency tactics to ensure our next Adlo or Succor to crit. (Maybe with a longer cooldown to compensate)

    Dissipation should resummon the fairy after the duration ends.

    Excogitation should either heal half of the potency after the duration expires or give a shield for half the potency for 30 sec.

    Both fairies should be reworked so both are useful for certain team compositions or fights.
    Being able to swap them in combat would be great but I don't think thats how SE wants it to be. However being able to swap them depending on encounter would be great.
    But the only way I would see Selene be useful is when we need an AoE Esuna or a silence. But neither of those situations happen often at all. They're both very (VERY) situational.
    No idea about how they should be reworked though. i'd wish for Selene to be a bit more useful because I actually like the small dps increase she offers with Fey Wind.
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    Thoosa Starburst
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    Lich
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Hi, not sure if this is the right place to post, but I've just started playing a scholar (was a White Mage before) and am slightly confused - am I supposed to heal like White Mage using cure-like physicks, etc, or should I be relying on the shield spells more and topping up health with physicks and relying on my fairy to heal? I'm not sure I understand how it plays. Sorry for the silly question!
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    Elliot Cloverfield
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    Adamantoise
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Thoosa View Post
    Hi, not sure if this is the right place to post, but I've just started playing a scholar (was a White Mage before) and am slightly confused - am I supposed to heal like White Mage using cure-like physicks, etc, or should I be relying on the shield spells more and topping up health with physicks and relying on my fairy to heal? I'm not sure I understand how it plays. Sorry for the silly question!
    The latter is more correct. If you play SCH like a WHM, you'll think that the SCH is weak. SCH's strengths are preventive heals with the shields and letting the fairy be concerned with topping folks off. A good SCH knows when damage is coming and pre-shields the tank/party with Adlo and Succor while letting the fairy top people off unless you know that a lot of damage is coming in a short amount of time, in which you may need to use Whispering Dawn/Indom/Emergency Tactics+Succor. Excogitation (lv62) is good for tank busters. Because of the shields and fairy, SCH has more opportunities than most to dps... ish. It's not as easy now with how little the fairy heals for.
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    Winter Gem
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 100

    Selene is SO awkward

    Casting Silence should be a DPS job and a group Esuna AoE is just unnecessary.

    They should replace Silent Dusk with a single target version of Fey Caress on a 20 sec cool down. With the Fairy on Sic it uses Fey Caress to remove a single effect all the time anyway. Removing one effect more often would add to her viability incredibly especially at low levels.

    Fey Wind should be the level 20 skill but with a 12% speed boost that decreases by 1% for each party member affected. Using this Solo would be great and having a party member out of range would increase it's benefit for those within.

    The level 40 skill slot should be a Fey "Medica" on a 60 sec cool down to allow Selene to make actual use of Rouse like Eos. Eos would still trump in healing utility but Scholars would have a reasonable debate on which fairy to use if these changes were made to Selene.
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    Last edited by NobleWinter; 08-01-2017 at 07:26 PM.

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