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  1. #1
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    Exiled_Tonberry's Avatar
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 100

    Plenary Indulgence was THIS close to being good.

    They made it 100%. They made it proc off of AOE healing! Just what we all wanted!

    And then they deleted the option of using Cure I/II for confession gathering, butchered the potency and drastically reduced it's duration so that you either use it directly after AOE healing or not at all.

    Jesus, they really don't know what they're doing with WHM do they.

    Now don't get me wrong. It'll definitely see more use than it did before, but it's still a useless heal. By the time you use 3 AOE heals, everyones at full HP. They're not going to need a 450 potency heal after that. Which means that plenary is, at it's very best, another medica on a 60s CD.

    There was no reason to nerf confession duration this hard. If something as strong as Balance (which was nerfed thank God) can last up to 40 seconds, can't we have 20 second confession stacks?

    It feels like SE took one step forward and two steps back with WHM.
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    KDSilver's Avatar
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    I hope that Omega Savage have some high aoe damages to justify plenary indulgence to become this.
    Otherwise, it would be useless.

    No one need 4 aoe heals one after an other to heal the party at full, especially when you have 2 healer.
    So... before saying anything, I want to see how savage first.
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    LegoTechnic's Avatar
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    Seolla Viltara
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    No one need 4 aoe heals one after an other to heal the party at full, especially when you have 2 healer.
    So... before saying anything, I want to see how savage first.
    Actually isn't that a common requirement? A3S was particularly bad about it with Splash but even A7S had its lightning AoE spam. Come to think of it Alexander Prime had that final phase back-to-back AoE stuff after the DPS run-around bit as well.

    Plenary Indulgence is basically either a free mini-Medica chaser after you cast Medica or Medica II, or a full free Medica if you cast Medica II and then Medica (which is quite common in savage instances). That's useful, and as seems to be the trend of the class quite mana efficient. It will probably go a long way when looking to single-heal encounters a few months down the road as well.

    I wonder if people would be less sour if it was like this from the start?
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    Indo Xi
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    White Mage Lv 77
    I agree. This with the scholar changes solidifies the continuation of AST/SCH meta. AST will have more utility, better burst AoE healing with CDs and higher potency spells across the board.
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    I think it'll do great. This ability could have absolutely trivialized a11s phase 3.

    Medica II before photon. 1 stack.
    Precast Cure III/Medica. 2 stacks.
    Swiftcast. Cure III/Medica. 3 stacks.
    Ogcd weave assize/PI.

    I feel WHM will become the first to solo heal the savage raids, pushing their coheal out for a dps many ilevels before even ast at this point.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 07-18-2017 at 03:30 PM.

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    Tomoyo Nellu
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    Sargatanas
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    I feel like everyone who is complaining about Confession duration is not understanding how they want PI to be used. They don't want you saving confession stacks. They are that short in duration because they want you to use PI immediately after Medica/II casts. PI is not another Assize to freely heal the party every now and then when stacks get high. It's there as extra healing potency on spells you're going to cast anyway. And you don't need 3 Confession stacks to make it useful. An additional 150 potency on your Medica is already a noticeable and free increase, and the cooldown makes it so it's likely to be around for almost every AoE healing situation you'll need it for.

    Seriously guys, just because you CAN achieve 3 stacks doesn't mean you need to.

    EDIT: That said, the skill is still niche. I don't think there's much in the way of content that really needs all the extra AoE healing. However there's still so much more to come, and SE knows what mechanics they have designed. We don't.
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    Last edited by Cupcakesu; 07-18-2017 at 03:32 PM.

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    Shiru Elysia
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cupcakesu View Post
    I feel like everyone who is complaining about Confession duration is not understanding how they want PI to be used. They don't want you saving confession stacks. They are that short in duration because they want you to use PI immediately after Medica/II casts. PI is not another Assize to freely heal the party every now and then when stacks get high. It's there as extra healing potency on spells you're going to cast anyway. And you don't need 3 Confession stacks to make it useful. An additional 150 potency on your Medica is already a noticeable and free increase, and the cooldown makes it so it's likely to be around for almost every AoE healing situation you'll need it for.

    Seriously guys, just because you CAN achieve 3 stacks doesn't mean you need to.
    This is more the 10s duration that obligates you to use it right after your aoe.

    This isn't about trying to have 3 stacks absolutely. It's actually having to use it because it's only 10s or it'll vanished and will be useless.

    To be worth using, savage must have some heavy aoe damage.
    Just like Rawrz said, it could have been a great skill in A11s and i totally agree, especially because during one twister, you had to move because of lasers.

    So, we are waiting to see something similar in omega to make PI shine.
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    Jade Stonelili
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    Ragnarok
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Cupcakesu View Post
    I feel like everyone who is complaining about Confession duration is not understanding how they want PI to be used. They don't want you saving confession stacks. They are that short in duration because they want you to use PI immediately after Medica/II casts. And you don't need 3 Confession stacks to make it useful

    Seriously guys, just because you CAN achieve 3 stacks doesn't mean you need to.
    lolwut?
    If you dont have to stack 3 Confessions and you need to use them only after a heal... how and when you will use 3 stacks? Spam heals to going take 3 stacks is only overhealing and a waste of MP... 1 Stack of Confession have a Potency of a Regen's Tic, how can you really think it can be useful?
    As I think, this Skill will be better if you can PLAN its use after a while putting Confessions to Party and use it as Global when you are moving, doing DPS or something with Swiftcast... just saying
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    Atlantasia Azoria
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 80
    What I'd like to see:
    - Remove confessions entirely and make PI go off of Lilies instead.
    - Make our new shield only use ONE lily.
    - Make all our GCD heal spells proc lilies.

    Vola, healy WHM that can solo heal content so well that if you're relatively skilled you can bring a 5th DPS.

    I don't think they needed to nerf AST, I think they needed to just bring the other two up to it's level. >__<;
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    Kethic Zachrias
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 90
    There are mechanics in Lak and Sus that could easily make use of PI in it's new form. It's certainly much more useful now. I'll take any improvement at this point.
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