Unpopular opinion

[aleph_null]

Total eclipse isn't useless. It's worse than overpower/abyssal drain, but using 1x flash and spamming total eclipse in shield oath is better than just using flash.

[zipzo]

It's worth noting that DRK's health shield and WAR's IB do scale with health, so maybe later on these abilities could be seen as much better each tier up than they do now at the beginning.

[Alphras]

How does IB scale with health?

[Reynhart]

How does IB scale with health?

I guess s/he meant Thrill of Battle

[Alphras]

Ah yeah makes sense.

[bswpayton]

The hate on pali is real in this thread

[SyzzleSpark]

The hate on pali is real in this thread

Where? What hate? If by "hate" you mean a bunch of people saying "hey PLD is really good, WAR/DRK not so much, they probably need some buffs" then yeah I guess this is PLD hate for days up in here.

[bswpayton]

Where? What hate? If by "hate" you mean a bunch of people saying "hey PLD is really good, WAR/DRK not so much, they probably need some buffs" then yeah I guess this is PLD hate for days up in here.

damage is balanced, among the tanks, pali just has divine veil, intervention , and passage and people act like its just the most amazing utility kit of all time. Im personally just sick of jobs gettin nerfed and changed and threads like this with negative feedback will just get jobs people like nerfed.
Hence the first thing in last live letter was pretty much pali is to strong, what happen HS gets cut down 30 potency , its more so an issue with the playerbase than the game stop following trends and meta and play what you like stop worrying about fflogs and worry bout yourself. Thats the real problem more so than jobs not being balanced.

[Kalocin]

damage is balanced, among the tanks, pali just has divine veil, intervention , and passage and people act like its just the most amazing utility kit of all time. Im personally just sick of jobs gettin nerfed and changed and threads like this with negative feedback will just get jobs people like nerfed.

Square isn't known to do huge nerfs all the time like Blizzard does, likewise, people asking for balance is not wrong. How is going to affect Paladins if:

1) Dark Passenger is made not-useless, it's literally not worth using.
2) Shadow Wall is matched with sentinel or the CD is reduced as it currently makes little sense.
3) The Blackest Night at a minimum is boosted a second or two due to server ticks.
4) The Living Dead is made to be less janky as unlike Holmgang and Hallowed Ground we pretty much need a pocket White Mage for it. It's not very noticeable and you also have to die for it to even have an effect.
5) Any form of extra mitigation since the focus on TBN makes it harder to soak damage outside of tank busters.
6) If none of the above, can we not be the lowest dps? As we kind of feel squishy for how much Paladins have. That's not hating em, it's just pointing out the obvious.

[bswpayton]

Square isn't known to do huge nerfs all the time like Blizzard does, likewise, people asking for balance is not wrong. How is going to affect Paladins if:

1) Dark Passenger is made not-useless, it's literally not worth using.
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I actually agree with you on everything you said , drk relies the most on the role system of the three tanks their defensive tool kit is def lacking and I know when I was leveling I wish I had TBN below level 70. Im more so against the argument that because pali has so much utility that it shouldnt deal decent damage, because at the end of the day thats what matters the most. They changed alot on warrior in 4.05 heard the feedback and I was hoping all this pali is to strong would stop but I guess not heres to wishful thinking.