Thread: 4.05 - Tenacity Vs Non-Tenacity Builds

Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

The basic understanding that I have is that even if you want to build for ten, you're better off simply gearing for it rather than melding it (i.e. get all the gear that has ten on it and then meld it with other stuff). The gains you see from gearing for it are okay, but the extra from melding is pretty lackluster, and you're far better off continuing to meld DH/Crit, and simply favoring ten on gear. Basically its inefficient to meld but okay to choose gear pieces around.

Melding or gearng its all the same. Melds just seem weak for tenacity because they are weak for every stat.

Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

Its not the same because you can't get nearly the kinds of gains through melding that you can by simply wearing a piece of gear that has that stat on it as opposed to not having it. This is why Direct Hit melds are so popular, because we get zero of it from gear, making melding it an extremely efficient % increase. Stacking more Tenacity on top of the crazy amount that you'll already have on your gear just isn't going to be as efficient from a DPS or mitigation standpoint.

A minimum skill speed/maximum tenacity gearset has over 1800 tenacity innately. I'd much rather meld direct hit on that than more tenacity.

If only SE decides to give DH to tanks and healers gear, we wouldn't need to fully meld DH.

Originally Posted by Sarcatica

If only SE decides to give DH to tanks and healers gear, we wouldn't need to fully meld DH.

Personally I think they are more likely to prevent melding DH in future for Tanks and healers, we already have our role stats after all. No need to steal someone else's.

Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Personally I think they are more likely to prevent melding DH in future for Tanks and healers, we already have our role stats after all. No need to steal someone else's.

I spent millions on DH melded i320 accessories (STR VI DH VI V V V) this weekend so I hope it is next gear tier.

But yeah, I have wondered if DH will be moved to "role stats" with tenacity and piety eventually since it seems healers/tanks are melding for it since it is strong at this tier of gear.

Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Personally I think they are more likely to prevent melding DH in future for Tanks and healers, we already have our role stats after all. No need to steal someone else's.

Then why the heck is enmity gated behind str? Personally I see no benefit of tenacity to a war especially if they are ot simply given that all our 4.0 abilities are dps based hitting those direct hit FC/IB goes along way. However I do see a strong argument for Tenacity being popular for PLD. With the combined mitigation from blocking and defensive cds not being gated behind stances we could see PLD tanking in full tenacity in sword oath. Though this is merely speculation and its based on how yoshi p stated that it is a "powerful" stat and that's why they held back on it and you will only see its true nature in savage content.

Originally Posted by Aleisterz

Edit: Also why hasn't anyone talked about the damage increase that Tenacity claims to bring along with the other two benefits?

Because its bad. If it was better than any other secondary even skill speed in terms of damage, that other secondary would be completely obsolete due to tenacity's additional mitigation effects. Nobody wants Tenacity for damage. And I personally have barely noticed any difference at all between 500 and 1500 tenacity. I personally wouldn't meld any of it because there is already so much of it on your gear that the materia slots you're wasting on it are gaining you probably less than 0.01% mitigation. Its just inefficient use of materia slots.

It just doesn't make sense to meld tenacity when our gear is already swimming in it due to diminishing returns, unless tenacity scales in some crazy special-snowflake way that we aren't privy to.