Thread: 4.05 - Tenacity Vs Non-Tenacity Builds

Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

The basic understanding that I have is that even if you want to build for ten, you're better off simply gearing for it rather than melding it (i.e. get all the gear that has ten on it and then meld it with other stuff). The gains you see from gearing for it are okay, but the extra from melding is pretty lackluster, and you're far better off continuing to meld DH/Crit, and simply favoring ten on gear. Basically its inefficient to meld but okay to choose gear pieces around.

Melding or gearng its all the same. Melds just seem weak for tenacity because they are weak for every stat.

Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

Its not the same because you can't get nearly the kinds of gains through melding that you can by simply wearing a piece of gear that has that stat on it as opposed to not having it. This is why Direct Hit melds are so popular, because we get zero of it from gear, making melding it an extremely efficient % increase. Stacking more Tenacity on top of the crazy amount that you'll already have on your gear just isn't going to be as efficient from a DPS or mitigation standpoint.

A minimum skill speed/maximum tenacity gearset has over 1800 tenacity innately. I'd much rather meld direct hit on that than more tenacity.

If only SE decides to give DH to tanks and healers gear, we wouldn't need to fully meld DH.

Originally Posted by Aleisterz

Edit: Also why hasn't anyone talked about the damage increase that Tenacity claims to bring along with the other two benefits?

Because its bad. If it was better than any other secondary even skill speed in terms of damage, that other secondary would be completely obsolete due to tenacity's additional mitigation effects. Nobody wants Tenacity for damage. And I personally have barely noticed any difference at all between 500 and 1500 tenacity. I personally wouldn't meld any of it because there is already so much of it on your gear that the materia slots you're wasting on it are gaining you probably less than 0.01% mitigation. Its just inefficient use of materia slots.

It just doesn't make sense to meld tenacity when our gear is already swimming in it due to diminishing returns, unless tenacity scales in some crazy special-snowflake way that we aren't privy to.

Originally Posted by Tufelhunden

I thought tenacity also helped the healing, 7%, in the example above. So by the math used the healer would only need heal the tank for 29000, versus the 32k plus. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.

It only increases Self Heals as of now.
Or, the gained % you get healed more by other players is so miniscule it can't be measured.

if u want alot of tenacity get tenacity gear. Ur melds should be direct hit. And dont forget about crit gear either

Originally Posted by Rasylia

It only increases Self Heals as of now.
Or, the gained % you get healed more by other players is so miniscule it can't be measured.

Saw that after I posted. Thank you for clarifying though.