Thread: 4.05 - Tenacity Vs Non-Tenacity Builds

Originally Posted by Aleisterz

Edit: Also why hasn't anyone talked about the damage increase that Tenacity claims to bring along with the other two benefits?

Because its bad. If it was better than any other secondary even skill speed in terms of damage, that other secondary would be completely obsolete due to tenacity's additional mitigation effects. Nobody wants Tenacity for damage. And I personally have barely noticed any difference at all between 500 and 1500 tenacity. I personally wouldn't meld any of it because there is already so much of it on your gear that the materia slots you're wasting on it are gaining you probably less than 0.01% mitigation. Its just inefficient use of materia slots.

It just doesn't make sense to meld tenacity when our gear is already swimming in it due to diminishing returns, unless tenacity scales in some crazy special-snowflake way that we aren't privy to.

if u want alot of tenacity get tenacity gear. Ur melds should be direct hit. And dont forget about crit gear either

Originally Posted by Cadmus

OP's numbers are wrong here.

1100 tenacity (the difference between the 2 sets you linked in comparison) does not = "8% damage mitigation"... 1100 Tenacity is exactly 5.5% dmg mitigation, as it's 200 points of tenacity per 1% mitigation.
And it would be at cost of just under 2.5% DPS.

That means, at a very end build, you can either max tenacity for 5.5% dmg mitigation, OR avoid as much Tenacity as possible, and gain just under 2.5% DPS.

Your numbers are wrong. 1100 ten gives 5.5% dps while 1100 dh gives 6.9% dps. The tradeoff is then 1.4% dps for 5.5% mitigation.

Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

Its not the same because you can't get nearly the kinds of gains through melding that you can by simply wearing a piece of gear that has that stat on it as opposed to not having it. This is why Direct Hit melds are so popular, because we get zero of it from gear, making melding it an extremely efficient % increase. Stacking more Tenacity on top of the crazy amount that you'll already have on your gear just isn't going to be as efficient from a DPS or mitigation standpoint.

Dh melds are popular because they are the best dps stat. By your logic, dps would all be melding crit or skill speed since they can get more dh from gear...

1 point of ten from gear is the same effect as 1 point from melds. You get the same amount of tenacity from a meld as dh. Therefore it doesn't matter where you get it from, if you think ten is better than dh you should meld it.