Please be Careful about the Labels used during Server Transfer

[Xaimera]

i hope after this transfer thing is around there wont be servers that are empty cuz some decided i dont like this server gonna move but the server lost and didnt gain much lol. Then uldah will be even more empty D:

[viion]

Hi viion,

That would be fine. But his statement doesn't explicitly state how he would convey this information. Of course the players can "police themselves" or distribute information themselves here on the forums, but I don't think SE is going to take the time to do Server Transfers, especially

"In order for EU players to gather on the same server in a certain mass, we are planning to go with the method where the players from a World with a less population can designate the World they wish to transfer to"

without some official method of conveying some information to help players choose?

The full details are coming in mid-January as he states, but by then, it will be Official language, posted on Lodestone for all to see. And if he chose the method of using Labels (Language / Country, etc.), then by then it will be too late.

Thanks.

I did not read it like this nore see it that way. The way I see it is exactly how it is stated.

"where the players from a world with less population can designate the world they wish to transfer to"

It will be like XI's current transfer, only the low populated servers will be given an option. Its all very key worded.

That is how I see it anyway. So if I go "Ok, I think Lindblum is more EU, so I will choose that server" and everyone will get a choice. The problem I see (or i could just be wrong) is what if no one chooses, they cant do a random selection. I just think it would be a bit foolish for him to label servers, but i also would not mind because I do prefer and only play with English speak players.

[Tibian]

To Yoshida-san, FF XIV Team and Community Reps:


Please do *not* label or designate the remaining active Servers as ONLY 1 Language or not. That leads to SEGREGATION.

Please do. I am tired of feeling completely cut off from other people who speak my primary language. Yes it leads to segregation, but it is a better situation in the long run. It leads to better party search functionality, better pick up groups, and overall a better community.

• Besaid Server - ENGLISH
• Rabanastre Server - JAPANESE
• Mysidia Server - EUROPEAN
• Lindblum Server - JAPANESE
• etc.

This is exactly what I hope to see. I do not want you to IP lock regions though. There are people from various countries, who speak several languages, who would be welcome on a server if they can speak the appropriate primary language.

You're going to end up indirectly (or directly) influencing and driving players into segregated Servers, where everyone on the server is mostly Japanese, or English-speaking, or European, etc.

This should be the point.

One of the most unique and *enjoyable* facets about Square's MMOs (Final Fantasy XI and now XIV) is that you took the time to allow GLOBAL SERVERS. And gave us a solid Auto-Translator Tool to help us communicate (somewhat) with players of different languages.

I actually find this to be one of SE's most significant weakness in their MMOs. They are spending valuable development time working on auto-translate functions and capabilities when it could be spent elsewhere in a much more pertinent area. You even say in your post that the auto-translate is "somewhat" useful. In other words, you really can only do limited functions with people from another primary language.

I love the diversity, flexibility and colorfulness of Final Fantasy's MMO population! I love that I have plenty of Japanese, European and English-speaking friends from around the world and we can play at various times of the day.

I fail to see how you have friends from another language (especially if they can't speak english well), when you can't even say simple phrases like "How was your day?" Apparently having an emotional connection is not a requirement when you make "friends."

If you end up labeling / categorizing the remaining active Servers in the manner above, players will be influenced to just go to servers that do speak "English" or "Japanese" or are "European" mainly.

Again, this should have been the case from the beginning of the game; IP region lock should not occur however.

If you have to keep Labels (to "help EU players gather" as you stated), one solution to encourage your current diversity is to then add a "GLOBAL" Label, so continuing with the example above:

• Bahamut Server - GLOBAL
• Odin Server - GLOBAL
  
• Besaid Server - ENGLISH
• Rabanastre Server - JAPANESE
• Mysidia Server - EUROPEAN
• Lindblum Server - JAPANESE
• etc.

This works. I am all for having both options in many aspects of the game, and this is one of them. I do want to see a labeled English server however that I can jump on and not worry about when I send a tell to someone if they are French, Japanese, German, or otherwise.

In addition to language labeled servers, I would even be in favor of TIME ZONE labeled servers if the population is large enough to sustain it. I am in the US-Central time zone, and most of the members of my linkshell are from US-Pacific time zone. Playing with them and coordinating appropriate times to log in for events is difficult.

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With that out of the way, I do agree with PV that the post reads very little into language/region based servers. I think this is simply a temporary move because they realize that when XIV goes subscription-fee play, a significant portion of the population will stop playing.
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I did not read it like this nore see it that way. The way I see it is exactly how it is stated.

"where the players from a world with less population can designate the world they wish to transfer to"

Yep.

I think the language designated servers will be an issue for 2.0, and it has been mentioned earlier (maybe in the PDF's even?)

[Orophin]

I don't think it's Yoshida's intent to make any regional servers yet; he just used an example of EU players so that maybe they can reach out to the servers that are not going away to see which one has the biggest EU population to ensure they will have enough people to play together with.

I imagine the same will happen with NA and JP players whose servers are going away. They're going to reach out to the community to see which of the servers are staying has populations that have an abundance of their language speakers.

[Kiara]

Please do. I am tired of feeling completely cut off from other people who speak my primary language. Yes it leads to segregation, but it is a better situation in the long run. It leads to better party search functionality, better pick up groups, and overall a better community.

I fail to see how you have friends from another language (especially if they can't speak english well), when you can't even say simple phrases like "How was your day?" Apparently having an emotional connection is not a requirement when you make "friends."

Hi Tibian,

You're welcome to your opinion (I respect that) and I'm welcome to mine.

To answer your question about how I have friends from another language, I think English-speakers have been fortunate to have the English language (even in limited form) as widespread as it is around the world (and I can speak some Japanese).

So I've met players from Europe (Spain, France, Germany) and many Japanese players as well, and using Auto Translate, and them communicating to me via limited English, and hours of EXP Parties, emotes, helping each other out with various adventures / fights in this game, we've become friends.

Ultimately, like I said, I think at least using a "Global" Label for some servers - if they go with a Labeling Route - would be a fair compromise for all involved.

[Rowyne]

OMG, stop labeling rabanastre as japanese, besaid is japanese, rabanastre is more american, (im european so i know :P)

inb4; sorry for troll

Besaid is not JP. It's the unofficial NA RP server. =P

Seriously, I picked Besaid because of it's large English-speaking population (I'm sorry, at the end of the day, I just want to be able to talk to someone in my native language and not get frustrated because the auto-translator doesn't say what I need it to say).

I see very few JP shouts on Besaid in comparison to the large number of English shouts.

And Tibian's post is pretty long, so I won't quote it, but I agree 100%. I'm all in favor of designating language-based servers for pretty much all the reasons he mentioned.

Bahamut Server - GLOBAL
Odin Server - GLOBAL
Besaid Server - ENGLISH
Rabanastre Server - JAPANESE
Mysidia Server - EUROPEAN
Lindblum Server - JAPANESE

This would be great. Give those who want to be on a server who speak a primary language the option, and those who like cultural diversity on another.

[Mushy]

Why does Lindblum have to be strictly Japanese? are we a low population server? it does not seem like it. dont touch lindblum

[Murugan]

I am 100% against labeling any server Japanese/NA/European.

Segregation NO THANKS!

[Kiara]

Why does Lindblum have to be strictly Japanese? are we a low population server? it does not seem like it. dont touch lindblum

Hi Mushy,

I just used it as an *example* (listed as such in my original post).

But yah, seeing your reaction is how many some players feel about SE potentially using a label to convey the information that Yoshida-san was mentioning in his post (to help EU players gather together).

I'd feel bad if my server was suddenly labeled / designated to be "ENGLISH" or "EUROPEAN" etc.

[Murugan]

Hi Mushy,

I just used it as an *example* (listed as such in my original post).

But yah, seeing your reaction is how many some players feel about SE potentially using a label to convey the information that Yoshida-san was mentioning in his post (to help EU players gather together).

I'd feel bad if my server was suddenly labeled / designated to be "ENGLISH" or "EUROPEAN" etc.

Those who would find themselves on a server labeled "not for them" would be forced to leave. It is telling those people they need to find a new server, because this server is for Japanese players, or North American players only. Anyone who would stay would inevitably encounter people telling them "you don't belong here, you have your own servers".