Why do all y'all want to change SMN so much?

[darcwizrd]

Okay so I really don't get it. Every time I go to a SMN post looking for changes in terms of numbers and small things I always find that y'all want to change everything about the job from the ground up. It makes no sense to me that people want it remade to their personal standards rather than want to improve what we've got. Always with the FF11 comparison and the "I want big summons", and rarely any actual constructive criticism on where the job could go from here.

If anyone has some idea for improvements based on what we've got I'd love to hear it.

[Neela]

The problem is you can't "fix" the current state just with minor tweaks nor with pot buffs. That's why people talk about revamps, new mechanics and skilladjustments. And there are indeed some good ideas around... most of the "first wave" complainers already changed to Rdm or Blm - the ones which remain gave pretty serious feedback lately...

[Angry_Evil]

Okay so I really don't get it. Every time I go to a SMN post looking for changes in terms of numbers and small things I always find that y'all want to change everything about the job from the ground up. It makes no sense to me that people want it remade to their personal standards rather than want to improve what we've got. Always with the FF11 comparison and the "I want big summons", and rarely any actual constructive criticism on where the job could go from here.

What the... There are several threads with great constructive criticism and discussion already and not at all only "ff11 comparisons and I want big summons". Actually I barely saw any of that about 4.0 summoner...
How you can just go and disregard so many good posts and ideas is just ugh...

If anyone has some idea for improvements based on what we've got I'd love to hear it.

People already proposed a lot of things - returning to how aetherflow work so we won't need to skip dwt, boost of r3\dots potency or reworking how r1234 work altogether, returning of sustain, changes to devotion etc.
And while QoL changes and potency boosts will make SMN more desirable it won't fix its biggest core problems. That's why people also propose ground up rework.

[FateAudax]

Nah, SMN is perfectly fine the way it is. No reason to whine to make the job easier when it's already easy the way it is.

[Angry_Evil]

Nah, SMN is perfectly fine the way it is. No reason to whine to make the job easier when it's already easy the way it is.

Nothing is fine about current summoner... NOTHING. Who's whining about making smn easier? What are you people even talking about lol...
Also I presume you can easily outDPS rdm with smn if smn is so easy to play?

[VorpalSpork]

I think the problem with smn is that it's a class that doesn't know what it wants to be. You have a dot class with weak summons that now mostly does weak fillers, and then has a slight damage boost during trance that ends in a big boom. Then, have to do trance twice to get a big summon that does the same boom as you a couple of times. Personally, I don't have a problem with the egis, but the damage is too locked behind Bahamut, so if you die, your damage is just gone. Also, the fillers are now so weak that it just feels awful to have to spam a pathetic potency ruin over and over. Also Ruin III does so little damage, that trance just seems totally pointless now. It just feels like they are throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the SMN to see what sticks.

[MrPoiPoi]

LOL. Summoners are so bad atm its pretty depressing. Kinda would like a mana reduction for ruin3 or they could revert ruin3 dmg to 200. Maybe make devotion an aoe buff ;_;.

[Neela]

Nah, SMN is perfectly fine the way it is. No reason to whine to make the job easier when it's already easy the way it is.

Have you guys played smn in endgame competition at all? You won't even think about such a statement if you did ^^'

[FateAudax]

Have you guys played smn in endgame competition at all? You won't even think about such a statement if you did ^^'

I'm letting people have a taste of their own medicine (please see below):

So....you want a BRD buff and make the job even easier to play?

Heck no.. BARD is PERFECTLY fine and it going to be PERFECTLY fine for a while , they don't need any buff or nerf. If anything they need to worry about is fixing MCH 1st before MAYBE even consider touching BRD.

[Neela]

lol? you are spreading bs about another cls because you are unsatisfied with comments people made about your main? what kind of mindset is that?... btw i got a 70 Brd as well and trust me Brd playstyle, fun and potency is a real paradise compared to Smn. so even if its just about your ego... your attitude sucks hard.