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    Quote Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic View Post
    I expected VerWater and VerBlizzard as RDM's AoE skills, but instead we got Scatter spam. :\
    This sounds like a great idea, alongside TankHunter678.

    Yeah perhaps adding this as an AoE Rotation would be fun, perhaps like Scatter Opener could initiate Verwater, an AoE, then perhaps we can do Verblizzard if it procs, to be a slightly less powerful than Verwater, but have a faster cast time like Verfire / Verstone.

    Also thanks for all the feedback on my comment, and I do see the concerns from some of the replies, but also enjoy the AoE addition for these spells.

    Heck, maybe if add Verfreeze as the AoE version of Verholy / Verflare?!

    Thanks again y'all! See you in game =)
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    Only issue I see with Verblizzard/Verwater as AOEs starting off of Scatter would be how their Black/White Mana generation would work. The spells would either have to give both, or give neither. Normally we'd expect Verblizzard to give Black and Verwater to give White, but if Verwater requires 'Verwater Ready,' then its RNG dependent and cannot be relied upon to boost White Mana, whereas Verblizzard could be relied on to boost Black Mana.

    Granted that's with thinking the Rotation is Scatter > Verblizzard (strong potency, high cast time) > Verwater (if procs, lower potency, faster cast time). I went this this idea as I imagine Blizzard to be more damaging than Water.
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    Hmm your right, it would sort of jack up the black/white mana meter mechanic! And maybe to keep it more manageable and not too complicated it would be something like this:

    Perhaps scatter >> Verwatera (White)
    Scatter >> Verblizzra (Dark)

    Just to add to an elemental AOE to boost meters faster rather than Scatter / scatter spam

    Then add a non-elemental ancient like a AOE finisher Verruin... might be taking it too far here lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatronasCharm View Post
    Hmm your right, it would sort of jack up the black/white mana meter mechanic! And maybe to keep it more manageable and not too complicated it would be something like this:

    Perhaps scatter >> Verwatera (White)
    Scatter >> Verblizzra (Dark)

    Just to add to an elemental AOE to boost meters faster rather than Scatter / scatter spam

    Then add a non-elemental ancient like a AOE finisher Verruin... might be taking it too far here lol
    I would gladly give up tether for even one of these skills, aoe is a bit lacking, well lets hope they do this in 5.0 and leave the job alone its reallu all RDM could possibly need in the future. We're strong on single targets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatronasCharm View Post
    Hmm your right, it would sort of jack up the black/white mana meter mechanic! And maybe to keep it more manageable and not too complicated it would be something like this:

    Perhaps scatter >> Verwatera (White)
    Scatter >> Verblizzra (Dark)

    Just to add to an elemental AOE to boost meters faster rather than Scatter / scatter spam

    Then add a non-elemental ancient like a AOE finisher Verruin... might be taking it too far here lol
    I really like the idea of making VerWater and VerBlizzard part of the AoE combination cause it lends it to the RDM play style. I don't think it should have a big finisher tho as Ruin is more a summoner spell in this game and not black or white magic. I do hope that when we go from 70 - 80 all we get are traits that upgrade our spells to their 2nd tier. And maybe give us the water and blizzard spells as AoE of course lol.
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    Last edited by Burningskull; 07-24-2017 at 09:04 AM.

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    Heck, maybe if add Verfreeze as the AoE version of Verholy / Verflare
    Tether is basically Verfreeze
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    Happy with RDM as it is. But the thought of 5.0 scares me. Mainly because if something like Vernochian was added, itll just turn the job into a mess
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADVSS View Post
    Happy with RDM as it is. But the thought of 5.0 scares me. Mainly because if something like Vernochian was added, itll just turn the job into a mess
    Like others said, I imagine we'll end up with more OGCD abilities ala Contre Sixte/Fleche, just perhaps less DPS oriented. For example, Phalanx as a damage mitigating ability. Maybe they'll give RDMs Stoneskin since they took it away from WHM for some reason. I also wouldn't be surprised if we received some kind of set of Stances in the form of En-Spells. En-Astral to boost White Magic DPS/Mana generation, En-Umbral to boost Black Magic DPS/Mana generation.
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADVSS View Post
    Happy with RDM as it is. But the thought of 5.0 scares me. Mainly because if something like Vernochian was added, itll just turn the job into a mess
    I'm a bit worried too. There is room for more abilities to use in place of Jolt I guess. We could also channel a spell to slowly fill our mana at times when there's no target to attack. Or have a group dps buff which costs black and white mana. Dots, procs or sustained self-buffs would probably make the job more similar to other jobs and I hope the devs avoid that.
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    I really hope we get some water/ice representation, but not if it changes the flow we have now. OGCDs/buff/AoE are good ideas
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