So...Can a SCH tell me how SCH's are right now relative to WHM and AST?

[Phileas]

SCH so far feels nice and different to how it was in 3.0...

I felt like in 3.0 it was too easy to hit the snooze button as the fairy heal was so strong along side Critlo, Indom and DoTs.

SCH got significant nerf to the fairy heal...which unfortunately makes Selene all but useless. Eos provides too much of a synergy with regen, magic defence and healing magic increase alongside SCH shields.

I'm only 64 but in trash pulls i pop Adlo and Excog and that gives me plenty of time while adlo/excog are on to setup DoTs, Shadowflare and Broil a bunch while Adlo mitigates and Excog heals quite a large chunk when tank HP falls below 50%. Even if it wears off the tank (without triggering), Excog CD is the same length as duration so there is no hesitation putting it up again.

Of course not sure what its like at 70 yet but I am enjoying it.

[Nowakii]

SCH is more of an Emergency heals, you dont have the AOE raw heal-power from WHM and AST, but when situations happens and you need to heal the tank ASAP, SCH is the best for the job (if well AST and WHM have insta heals too, they dont have as many Spamable as SCH wich virtually grants them the Ability to have at least one insta oGCD heal ALL the time)

[Scox]

Scholar is still in a bad spot right now. Level either of the other 2 if you want to do progression. If not then level which ever one you wish.

[technole]

Scholar is still in a bad spot right now. Level either of the other 2 if you want to do progression. If not then level which ever one you wish.

False, its not in anyway in a bad spot with the changes. O4S World 3rd was WHM/SCH on Gilgamesh, and they were only seconds away from 2nd.

[Feidam]

Scholars can imo use a few more minor tweaks but overall after the 4.05 patch no they are not trash and not hurting.

[Deox]

Scholar is still in a bad spot right now. Level either of the other 2 if you want to do progression. If not then level which ever one you wish.

Sorry they are not, classes in a bad spot don't get used in practically every single raid progression group. Have you maybe ever thought that maybe you are just bad at the class and are projecting

[Rivxkobe]

Many SCHs are going to say it's bad because they aren't use to it having actual MP management and/or not being blatantly overpowered. It has always been a powerful healer, ever since it's release, in 2.x WHM were basically only used because SCH/SCH cause problems with Shields. It was due for nerfs/changes. All healers are pretty much equal right now.

[Sodamachine]

Scholar is fine.
There is nothing I can't tackle, and the wide amount of tools we have, you can answer to almost anything at any given time, granted you know how and when to use your tools.
If one just start spamming left and right, using up all tools and resources blindly, then SCH will be in a very bad spot. But Scholar is all about planning, and use the right answer for every question the game throws at you.
Compared to the other healers who can mostly just do "Oh, cast Medica 2 over and over" or "Lulz, Cure 2 because it is so strong and cheap!"

So yeah, It is as good, you just can't turn off your brain because your basic tools aren't cheap and strong.

[giantslayer]

in 2.x WHM were basically only used because SCH/SCH cause problems with Shields.

2.x SCH was OP at single target healing with faeries outputting a full 300 potency wth Embrace, but had almost no AOE healing. One Whispering Dawn every 60 seconds, with a 15y radius and approx 5-8 seconds before the party feels the first tick of that regen. SCH who used Sic basically threw away their only good AOE heal. Outside of WD, good luck refilling your party's HP bars with Succor.

Meanwhile, WHM's AOE was comparatively OP with Medica II and Cure III. Also, back in 2.x, Protect was a 10% damage reduction and WHM had a trait to make it reduce all damage, whereas a SCH cross classing only worked for physical. A proper WHM Protect contributed about as much to AOE mitigation as SCH's shields did.

In 2.x, SCH was basically the master of single target heals and WHM was the master of AOE heals and had a better Protect. The two balanced very nicely with each other.

3.x and beyond, the Dev team has worked to balance the healers toolkits more so that all healers can handle both single target and AOE. That meant nerfing Embrace, adding Indomitability/Emergency Tactics, and giving WHM more oGCD tools. Overall, I like the balance better in 3.x and 4.x compared to 2.x.

The point I'm trying to make is that SCH wasn't just pure OP in 2.x, as people seem to think they were. People focus on how powerful Embrace was and forget about all the things that WHM brought to the table that SCH didn't have. There was actually a balance beyond just SCH shields not stacking.

[Rhysati]

SCH is perfectly viable for pretty much anything, but that doesn't mean they are great. The other two healers get a bigger reward for much less effort put in. Both healers are more effective healers than SCH is and WHM is superior for dps and 4-man content by FAR and AST has better shielding and support than SCH. SCH can still do okay in all content, they just have to work a lot harder to be not as good.