Is Dissipation really that bad?

[paoweeotter]

also don't take heed to SChs who use the argument "you'll use up more mana reaummoning the fairy." that is 100% FALSE.

say you use dissipation for a largessed deployed adlo with rouse plus whispering dawn ticking on the raid. thay is MORE than enough contribution from you so thay any bit of HP left should be HANDLED by your co healer.

example:

you use absolutely ZERO MP and mitigate at the VERY least 7000 HP times 8 people for a total of 56000 HP. without using a single drop of mana. (7000 HP is how much my adlo heals for with largess and dissipation)

If Adlo crits for 11k that's a 22,000 shield on the raid for a total of 176,000 HP. take a small second and let that sink in. And how much does a fairy summon cost again in MP?

FURTHERMORE you get Three aetherstacks that you can use for Energy Drains to give 1200 MP x 3. and becauss of the new buffed aethertrait you can burn your stacks and get a faster aetherflow for more mana. and you have lucid dreaming on top of that too.

tldr dissipation isn't useless. you just have to use it right.

[Fernosaur]

also don't take heed to SChs who use the argument "you'll use up more mana reaummoning the fairy." that is 100% FALSE.

say you use dissipation for a largessed deployed adlo with rouse plus whispering dawn ticking on the raid. thay is MORE than enough contribution from you so thay any bit of HP left should be HANDLED by your co healer.

I know you're super excited about the big numbers on a buffed Adlo, but honestly sacrificing the fairy just for a big deployed Adlo isn't worth it, at least not unless the +20% buff from Dissipation is absolutely necessary for survival (there are situations where this can happen in later Savage encounters). Largesse + Fey Illum are more than enough to buff a deployed Adlo for a big hitting mechanic, and often it's better to just heal with your instants afterwards if the unmitigated hit wasn't going to be lethal anyways.

You used Twin Bolt as an example, but I counter with mine:

I use Excog on the OT waaay before Twin Bolt happens, using Bio II to weave it in. Once Twin Bolt actually hits, the other healer uses Tetra+Regen on the MT, while Excog brings the OT to about 50-60%, and then I use Fey Union on the OT using Miasma II's weave to top him off. Once he's topped off, Fey Union goes to the MT instead while both the other healer and me are DPSing.

There. We handled Twin Bolt perfectly fine by only using one GCD in healing, and by barely sacrificing any resources. The biggest hit to my MP pool comes from Miasma II, but I was gonna use that anyways.

I'm not saying your method doesn't get the job done, it's just really inefficient and you're sacrificing a lot of things without much of a gain. And yes, you are making a big sacrifice, since you're losing 30 seconds of Embrace which facilitates the other healer to DPS, you're losing Swiftcast, and you're losing the MP cost of Summon, and also one GCD in which you're neither healing nor DPSing. And for what? A big number on Adlo?

[Dregenfox]

Well let's think about the total cost/benefits of dissipation. Fairy does 50'ish potency worth of heals per second, so over 30 seconds we lose 1200 worth of potency. We gain 3 lustrates which is 1800 potency, so a gain of 600 potency at the cost of the mana for a summon + swiftcast. Any Adlo's/physicks you cast from then on is just a straight 20% bonus for 30 seconds.

So..

basic cost of a dissipation is swiftcast+summon mana+GCD
basic benefit of dissipation is 600 potency + 20% increased healing for 30s.

What can we do with the GCD? Let say we use it on Adlo. Non-crit adlo is 600 pot for 1800 mana + GCD. Cross out the common factors (600 pot, mana, GCD) and we have the true opportunity cost:

600 mana + swiftcast CD. So it is pretty much equivalent to a 2nd largesse, more or less. As fancy as the skill is, it doesn't actually do anything - all it really does is let you trade one role skill for another.

--TL;DR - Dissipation basically lets you trade a swiftcast for a 2nd largesse that costs 600 mana and lasts 30s. I suppose the benefit is the flexibility it offers.

[paoweeotter]

I know you're super excited about the big numbers on a buffed Adlo, but honestly sacrificing the fairy just for a big deployed Adlo isn't worth it, at least not unless the snip

that's from a the earlier part of the threads diiscussion. we've agreed that dissipation is really very limited in use and only used in specific instances and not used on cooldown. I've been working on V3S for 2 days now since making that post and I've only played with dissipation during the very first pulll.

I also removed all my crit V materia and replaced it with the good old boring det VI materias so I'm not fishing for super buffed critlos anymore.

...character limitt...

[paoweeotter]

...continued..

I've been studying Elysiums YunnaFXs SCH video of O3S to help my static this week and looked at his dissipate use

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqn6KmF7nHI&t=5m40s

timeline (towards End of library)
- adlo already used for red north aoe and south book stack mechanic
- fairy gauge at 100
- going into dimensional wave
- running out of aether stacks. aetherflow still on CD
- aoe hits raid. dissipate used / succor
- burns 3 stacks of af
- af back up
- Animals phase (pet healing not needed)
- Swiftcasts eos
- Pet comes back with previous 100 fairy gauge

[Fernosaur]

that's from a the earlier part of the threads diiscussion. we've agreed that dissipation is really very limited in use and only used in specific instances and not used on cooldown. I've been working on V3S for 2 days now since making that post and I've only played with dissipation during the very first pulll.

I also removed all my crit V materia and replaced it with the good old boring det VI materias so I'm not fishing for super buffed critlos anymore.

...character limitt...

Aye. Apologies!