Is Dissipation really that bad?

[Dregenfox]

Well let's think about the total cost/benefits of dissipation. Fairy does 50'ish potency worth of heals per second, so over 30 seconds we lose 1200 worth of potency. We gain 3 lustrates which is 1800 potency, so a gain of 600 potency at the cost of the mana for a summon + swiftcast. Any Adlo's/physicks you cast from then on is just a straight 20% bonus for 30 seconds.

So..

basic cost of a dissipation is swiftcast+summon mana+GCD
basic benefit of dissipation is 600 potency + 20% increased healing for 30s.

What can we do with the GCD? Let say we use it on Adlo. Non-crit adlo is 600 pot for 1800 mana + GCD. Cross out the common factors (600 pot, mana, GCD) and we have the true opportunity cost:

600 mana + swiftcast CD. So it is pretty much equivalent to a 2nd largesse, more or less. As fancy as the skill is, it doesn't actually do anything - all it really does is let you trade one role skill for another.

--TL;DR - Dissipation basically lets you trade a swiftcast for a 2nd largesse that costs 600 mana and lasts 30s. I suppose the benefit is the flexibility it offers.

[paoweeotter]

I know you're super excited about the big numbers on a buffed Adlo, but honestly sacrificing the fairy just for a big deployed Adlo isn't worth it, at least not unless the snip

that's from a the earlier part of the threads diiscussion. we've agreed that dissipation is really very limited in use and only used in specific instances and not used on cooldown. I've been working on V3S for 2 days now since making that post and I've only played with dissipation during the very first pulll.

I also removed all my crit V materia and replaced it with the good old boring det VI materias so I'm not fishing for super buffed critlos anymore.

...character limitt...

[paoweeotter]

...continued..

I've been studying Elysiums YunnaFXs SCH video of O3S to help my static this week and looked at his dissipate use

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqn6KmF7nHI&t=5m40s

timeline (towards End of library)
- adlo already used for red north aoe and south book stack mechanic
- fairy gauge at 100
- going into dimensional wave
- running out of aether stacks. aetherflow still on CD
- aoe hits raid. dissipate used / succor
- burns 3 stacks of af
- af back up
- Animals phase (pet healing not needed)
- Swiftcasts eos
- Pet comes back with previous 100 fairy gauge

[Fernosaur]

that's from a the earlier part of the threads diiscussion. we've agreed that dissipation is really very limited in use and only used in specific instances and not used on cooldown. I've been working on V3S for 2 days now since making that post and I've only played with dissipation during the very first pulll.

I also removed all my crit V materia and replaced it with the good old boring det VI materias so I'm not fishing for super buffed critlos anymore.

...character limitt...

Aye. Apologies!

[Jerichai]

Snip.

LOL. First paragraph you claim you haven't called anyone stupid, then immediately proclaims in the second paragraph that anyone who doesn't like dissipation must not be intelligent enough to understand SCH. Okay buddy. Also nice ego self proclaiming yourself an innovator...in a video game.

[ScorpiusO-Ra-E]

LOL. First paragraph you claim you haven't called anyone stupid, then immediately proclaims in the second paragraph that anyone who doesn't like dissipation must not be intelligent enough to understand SCH. Okay buddy. Also nice ego self proclaiming yourself an innovator...in a video game.

Again no words directly attacking anyone? Maybe have a conversation with your own ego about why you're so hurt over my very benign responses? Also yes you can innovate in a video game that's how guides and personal builds are created. Without innovation you'd still be using Adlo to heal all incoming damage rather than paying attention to your fairy, using rouse, whispering dawn and whatever else mitigation mechanics you possess.

[Jerichai]

People don't declare themselves innovators, they're recognized by their peers as innovators for their contributions. Most of the time those contributions don't include blindly dismissing opposing opinions that don't support their pet theory.

[ScorpiusO-Ra-E]

People don't declare themselves innovators, they're recognized by their peers as innovators for their contributions. Most of the time those contributions don't include blindly dismissing opposing opinions that don't support their pet theory.

What opinion about mp loss has been helpful to my overarching question? Please enlighten me. That would be like me saying I don't use Miasma II because in "certain" situations its a dps loss when in actuality it can be a dps gain if used correctly. Questions and inquiries are used to gain information not dismiss what has been given. If i was being dismissive I would've said something along the lines of "MP problems don't exist for scholar, we have energy drain, AF, and Lucid Dreaming." As opposed to an inquiry like: "Well what is leading you to these mp issues in the first place? Is there a workaround?"

[ScorpiusO-Ra-E]

It's not that I'm trying to say the skill needs to be used, part of this thread is playing Devil's advocate because from what I've read people don't want to don't know how to, or just don't use this skill as optimally as possible. This in turn leads to guides, builds, threads completely ignoring it's existence and it just occupying a hole on my hotbar. Yes it costs mana to resummon the fairy that is a reality we can't avoid, but so many are ready to face a future without AF stacks that they'd just spam physick (at least what I assume) for some odd number of seconds (usually around 20 after screwing up) struggling to keep everyone alive.

The reality is that it exists, the fallacy is that it has absolutely no use at all which new SCH players will take as fact instead of experiementing with it.

[Clouse_Cleyra]

You can do all the same thing without dissipation and its only 20% less on tje adlo. It is a mp loss