Is Dissipation really that bad?

[ScorpiusO-Ra-E]

So what's the point of this thread if you're just going to outright dismiss the opinions of SCHs that disagree with your own?

Where in this thread did I say "I don't like that I'm not listening to what you have to say?" A conversation works by taking turns issuing dialogue. Also of note is the use of inquiry in my post to ascertain why people think the way they do. you can answer the questions I have or not of your own volition but I'm not denying what anyone has to say. I asked a question and am expanding on it with the helpful dialogue of other players. if you don't like you can go. >.>

[Jerichai]

Where in this thread did I say "I don't like that I'm not listening to what you have to say?" A conversation works by taking turns issuing dialogue. Also of note is the use of inquiry in my post to ascertain why people think the way they do. you can answer the questions I have or not of your own volition but I'm not denying what anyone has to say. I asked a question and am expanding on it with the helpful dialogue of other players. if you don't like you can go. >.>

In this thread I've seen SCHs saying they don't use it cause the cost (frequently MP) is not worth the gain. To which I've watched you effectively respond 'LOL wrong idiots". You initial post seemed to be aimed at learning why people don't like the skill, maybe try listening?

[ScorpiusO-Ra-E]

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Ok sure and I responded with as you quoted "What are y'all spending mana on?" Nowhere did i speak on another's intellect the question stands if you can use dissipation, (the add on through dialogue) you apparently have enough mana because: you have like 3 spells to spend it on. I did listen and I do what most innovators do and that's ask further questions. Ok your mana falls or takes a hit!? how do we solve or acquiesce that in the current meta.

All I've seen are scholars belly-aching this whole time for changes that hardly need to be made when one properly explores the class. NO we aren't perfect. YES Dissipation has its flaws. Is it useless? Definitley not. Does it still take up a spot in our hotbar or job abilities? YES. If we don't try to solve the issue on our own SCH's are just gonna wait around for another patch in the hopes our Deus Ex Machina falls from the sky. My question is and remains boiled down to:

[Clouse_Cleyra]

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I dont understand what you want xD
Where did we say Sch sucks? I love suck, I even posted on all the salt threads that sch is good even before the patch.
It looks like u are trying to prove you love scholar and we hate it, I dont understand it.

And in progression you will need mana, you have to rez a lot! And was it is on farm its w/e because the fight is already done.
When we need our best kit of skills and concentration is always on progression and is when we need MP the most.

Personally I think the skill sucks, I problably wont use it.

The job in other hand is my main since First Coil of Bahamut and will still be it at Omega Savage (everything besides savage content is not worthable talking about because you can do it just with physicks or cure)

[Claymore65]

Keep in mind, another reason people don't tend to like Dissipation is for thematic reasons. Many players chose to play Scholar because of the Fairy. They enjoy playing a pet-class mixed with a healer. Getting rid of that pet, even if it's only for a short while, makes the Job less fun for those players. Dissipation gets rid of your pet, has anti-synergy with Fey Union, has non-intuitive interactions with your aetherflow abilities (since it doesn't boost their healing), and lastly requires you to spend both a fair bit of mana and a use of swift-cast to get back to full capacity once its over. It hurts not only the "class fantasy" of scholar, but also has a lot of major downsides.

It's more useful than it immediately seems, but it's still not an especially fun ability to use, especially as a level 60 capstone. Obviously, your mileage may vary on those points. Some players will certainly enjoy Dissipation, but many do not.

[ScorpiusO-Ra-E]

Is Dissipation really that bad, and can something be used to alleviate the burden brought about by it.

[Xandos]

The reason it's useless to me? I have never been in a situation that I needed to use it. I don't do any raiding and rarely do extreme trials. I haven't found any normal content that I need such an extreme emergency button. As people have pointed out it can be useful in some extreme situations but its definitely not an every day use skill.

As for a rework or redesign or constructive criticism there are a couple things i could suggest.

1. Your fairy casts Embrace on the same target you cast any single target heal on.
2. Your fairy's Embrace also adds a shield that works like Adlo.
3. Make some sort of copy of Ast Collective Unconscious or Whm Asylum.
4. Your fairy channels its power into you for X seconds. This heals you for X Potency, Refreshes you for X Potency, and generates X Aetherflow stacks
5. Treat it like the summoner's Bahamut summon.

[paoweeotter]

also don't take heed to SChs who use the argument "you'll use up more mana reaummoning the fairy." that is 100% FALSE.

say you use dissipation for a largessed deployed adlo with rouse plus whispering dawn ticking on the raid. thay is MORE than enough contribution from you so thay any bit of HP left should be HANDLED by your co healer.

example:

you use absolutely ZERO MP and mitigate at the VERY least 7000 HP times 8 people for a total of 56000 HP. without using a single drop of mana. (7000 HP is how much my adlo heals for with largess and dissipation)

If Adlo crits for 11k that's a 22,000 shield on the raid for a total of 176,000 HP. take a small second and let that sink in. And how much does a fairy summon cost again in MP?

FURTHERMORE you get Three aetherstacks that you can use for Energy Drains to give 1200 MP x 3. and becauss of the new buffed aethertrait you can burn your stacks and get a faster aetherflow for more mana. and you have lucid dreaming on top of that too.

tldr dissipation isn't useless. you just have to use it right.

[Fernosaur]

also don't take heed to SChs who use the argument "you'll use up more mana reaummoning the fairy." that is 100% FALSE.

say you use dissipation for a largessed deployed adlo with rouse plus whispering dawn ticking on the raid. thay is MORE than enough contribution from you so thay any bit of HP left should be HANDLED by your co healer.

I know you're super excited about the big numbers on a buffed Adlo, but honestly sacrificing the fairy just for a big deployed Adlo isn't worth it, at least not unless the +20% buff from Dissipation is absolutely necessary for survival (there are situations where this can happen in later Savage encounters). Largesse + Fey Illum are more than enough to buff a deployed Adlo for a big hitting mechanic, and often it's better to just heal with your instants afterwards if the unmitigated hit wasn't going to be lethal anyways.

You used Twin Bolt as an example, but I counter with mine:

I use Excog on the OT waaay before Twin Bolt happens, using Bio II to weave it in. Once Twin Bolt actually hits, the other healer uses Tetra+Regen on the MT, while Excog brings the OT to about 50-60%, and then I use Fey Union on the OT using Miasma II's weave to top him off. Once he's topped off, Fey Union goes to the MT instead while both the other healer and me are DPSing.

There. We handled Twin Bolt perfectly fine by only using one GCD in healing, and by barely sacrificing any resources. The biggest hit to my MP pool comes from Miasma II, but I was gonna use that anyways.

I'm not saying your method doesn't get the job done, it's just really inefficient and you're sacrificing a lot of things without much of a gain. And yes, you are making a big sacrifice, since you're losing 30 seconds of Embrace which facilitates the other healer to DPS, you're losing Swiftcast, and you're losing the MP cost of Summon, and also one GCD in which you're neither healing nor DPSing. And for what? A big number on Adlo?