Keepers of the Moon in MSQ

[Enur]

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Considering the M tribe has taken residense somewhat close to the shroud, i could imagine M'hahtoa simply wandered into the Seeker encampment and somehow joined them. She looks to be of older age so perhaps she ventured out before Ala Mhigo fell and the wall got built.

Though ooking at how many other such slip ups has happened in stormblood i could too see it just being an error.

[TinyRedLeaf]

^ Nice catch!

I'd add though that it's not true that the tribe has no Tias. Or, at least, it's no longer true, if you've done the side quests in the area. A new male cat has joined the tribe. And he's the son of a former Nunh.

Apparently the M tribe in Gyr Abania used to have two Nunhs, because it was much larger. But it has suffered significant attrition since the Garlean occupation, and is now the much smaller tribe we see in the game.

[Keever]

NPC appearance doesn't necessarily correlate to their actual racial clan lore-wise. Examples:

• F'lhaminn is a Seeker with a Keeper appearance, as is the mama of the M tribe at the Peering stones.
• Papalymo was a Dunesfolk (confirmed by Lorebook which mentions it several times so no error here) with a Plainsfolk appearance.
• We all know about Minfilia and Yda/Lyse being Highlanders in terms of lore, despite their Midlander-looking features.
• Jandelaine and some other Ishgardian nobles, esp. those related to House Dzemael, are Duskwight in terms of appearance data, but this doesn't mean they've ever been anywhere near a Gelmorran cave.
• Some Hellsguard are missing the mark on the nose, while some Sea Wolves have it. Additionally, several Roegadyn NPCs use the naming conventions typically associated with the opposite clan.

Members of any race may exhibit unusual features usually attributed to another clan, but this doesn't mean that they are actually members of that different clan. It displays a bit of realistic variation - recessive genes showing up through a chance of breeding, traits inherited from crossbreeding a generation or so ago, or even exceedingly rare random mutations are all things that can happen in Eorzea. Don't read too much into appearance data files.

For example, in-lore a Wildwood's allowed to get Duskwight tattoos if he for some reason wants to, and a Duskwight's allowed to wear colourful Wildwood ear-clasps, even though these things aren't possible in our character creation.

[Magic-Mal]

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I honestly don't want to believe this... There must be deeper reason as to why these characters are specifically a totally different clan. Either that, or I say they are design mistakes but I just doubt it. Moons and Suns are distinctly different in everyway. Think about it, if they wanted M'hahtoa to be a Seeker, why not make her a Seeker? Like.. every other Seeker. There's bound to be more that was left out.

Although I never played 1.0 I think we can chalk down the Minfillia/Lyse issue to the fact Highlander females didn't exist in 1.0. And the Devs chose not to switch them to Highlanders in 2.0. Remember how Yugiri was a "Miqo'te" in 2.x then magically became an Au Ra in 3.x..

I also don't buy the gene theory because that's like saying you have an entire white family. Straight from.. Scotland. Red hair and all that. One of the daughters marries another 100% Scottish guy, gets pregnant and when the baby is born, Michael Jordan pops out. "Ah, perfectly normal. Just genes"

That's the M tribe.. I just don't buy it <.<

[BlakeWolfe]

Highlanders were in 1.0. Just not the female model. Similarly 1.0 didn't allow male Mi'qote or female Roegadyn to be playable, but a few showed up in quests as npcs.

[Magic-Mal]

Highlanders were in 1.0. Just not the female model. Similarly 1.0 didn't allow male Mi'qote or female Roegadyn to be playable, but a few showed up in quests as npcs.

Right, right.. that's what I meant. I should be specific.

[Eloah]

Papalymo was a Dunesfolk (confirmed by Lorebook which mentions it several times so no error here) with a Plainsfolk appearance.

Where does it confirm this? I own the lore book and don't recall seeing this. I thought it was confirmed that he is a Plainsfolk with a Dunesfolk name, similar to how Pipin is a Dunesfolk with a Plainsfolk name. I wanna say there is a third somewhere but I cant remember at the moment.

Even the lore for the naming conventions indicates that there are members of each clan with the other clans naming convention. And that its more common for a Plainsfolk to opt for a Dunesfolk name, since Dunesfolks are considered "wiser" and more knowledgeable. Also the lore states that more than the other races, lalafells tend to have ties to both clans.

Also as a side note Ardashir, the Anima quest giver, while he is a Hyur, he's not a Midlander like most might believe. Based on the lore book he's Far Eastern, most likeky from Radz-at-Han, and his name doesn't fit the names we've come to expect from the Far East. Though we don't know if Radz-at-Han shares its names with Othard.

Also to add to this they said they were gonna make it so you could make a member of one clan but have them look like the other. Did they ever add that?

[Keever]

A man with eyes as big as his stomach, [Papalymo] enjoys the traditional cuisine of his desert people, particularly dark pretzels.

Ardashir is from Radz-at-Han, i.e. Thavnair. That's the Near East, not the Far East. The reference to Ardashir as a "Far Eastern Hyur" is either an oversight, or otherwise "Far Eastern Hyur" is a diaspora clan which is referred to by a confusing region-specific name. I suspect the former.

We have enough examples of Hannish names to know they don't have similar language or naming schemes to Othardians. Jalzahn, Ardashir, Waoud (50-60 ALC quest antagonist) and Mulnith (Thavnairian Consulate gatekeeper) are the named Thavnairians I can think of at short notice, but there are probably a small number of others mentioned.

[Eloah]

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You quoted what it says about Papalymo, but you didn't say where it is. The quote you gave is circumstantial at best. While I get it saying "Desert People" would make you think, Dunesfolk, it does not, it just means people of the desert. There are plenty of Hyurs, Roegadyn, and Miqo'te who are also considered "Desert People ". And for a lalafellian example, Teledji Adeledji is a Desert Person and is confirmed a Plainsfolk. Granted he has one of each for his parents, but he is a Plainsfolk. The same could be said of Papalymo.

As for Ardashir, the lore book says his father is a Far Eastern Trader, so it could be either he's mixed between Far Eastern and Near Eastern Hyurs. Or a conformation and assimilation and he's still Far Eastern but has a Near Eastern name since its where he resides/where he was born.

[Keever]

While I get it saying "Desert People" would make you think, Dunesfolk, it does not, it just means people of the desert.

A traditional Dunesfolk bread twisted into the shape of a knot and sprinkled generously with coarse-ground salt before being baked to a deep brown.

Enough for you?