Thread: 4.05 crafting disappointment

Originally Posted by Vandril

Let's be real, here. HW crafting was harder than ARR crafting until late in the expansion.

You're right about the usage of macros atm, though. I can't really find that to be a bad thing since this is an effect of them reducing the overall reliance on RNG in effective rotations - a good thing in itself - but I can see why it could seem off-putting to some who enjoyed the hectic nature of more RNG in harder crafts.

The only thing hard about HW crafting was that it was hard fighting the urge to unsub every time I press Maker's Mark.

The macro usage is a symptom of easier crafts. I'm perfectly fine with macros, I love finding optimal macros that give me an edge.
However RNG is not a bad thing, RNG makes each craft different and interesting.

Originally Posted by Lebenoshl

The only thing hard about HW crafting was that it was hard fighting the urge to unsub every time I press Maker's Mark.

The macro usage is a symptom of easier crafts. I'm perfectly fine with macros, I love finding optimal macros that give me an edge.
However RNG is not a bad thing, RNG makes each craft different and interesting.

I don't agree with you, people macro stuff because it's dead boring after 100 times to manually crafting anything no matter how hard or easy it is.

Originally Posted by Driavna

I don't agree with you, people macro stuff because it's dead boring after 100 times to manually crafting anything no matter how hard or easy it is.

Agreed. And it wasn't like you couldn't macro HW crafts either. I know plenty who stringed together multiple macros built to catch Precise Touch/Trick of the Trade procs. There really isn't anything the devs can do for people who spend hours upon hours crafting, in the same sense they can't keep adding new fights for raiders. After a while, things will get repetitive no matter how interest they may have been initially.

Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

Worst of all, all the new recipes are items that are just re-skinned gear sets from World of Darkness...

Might be the worst for you, but I find it to be the best thing. Now I'll be able to obtain the dyeable version of the WoD gear.

Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

I dunno how you guys feel. But I am really bored... by the same rotations and boring gear appearances. All I felt was being punished by the gil I spent on overmelds...

The latter half of HW made it pretty clear that reaching the min requirement for recipes would allow for a rather straightforward rotation to HQ it, so I'm not sure why this surprises you.

Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

What was I looking for? Well, I don't think I could ask for really difficult items yet. But at least give us something prettier... rather than some re-skins... I felt being ripped off by the overmelds.

Again, I'm sure there's many people who have been wanting dyeable WoD gear for quite a while now.

Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

And the fact that I didn't even acquire a single yellow scrip gear or tool, and still able to macro all those 2 star... well, just boring.

That's because the white lvl 70 gear is only 10 ilvls below the yellow scrip gear, just like the first set of red scrip gear was only 10 ilvls above the crafted AF sets.

Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

The new crafting skills represent some new possibilities... I think they could have opened some exciting new avenues in the world of crafting for us. Maybe it's just not the time yet? Until then, can't we have some prettier glamor gear for now to keep us happy? You know, shiny weapons? Sexy clothing? Sassy boots & gloves? etc.? (or the other way around... sexy weapons and shiny clothing would have been fine too)

They tried experimenting with crafting at the start of 3.0, and completely destroyed the DoH playerbase. And didn't they add two glamour sets up to this point? The Taoist stuff and the Ao Dai stuff.

Originally Posted by Nezerius

That's because the white lvl 70 gear is only 10 ilvls below the yellow scrip gear, just like the first set of red scrip gear was only 10 ilvls above the crafted AF sets.

Not sure you can compare the i170 class gear to this i290 white... one took months to make, and required you to meet 2 star stats. It is the i150 white you should compare to this i290. Even then, that white set was not full i150 (which you needed the master book for), the offhand was i140 and the rest of left side ranged from i110 to i140.

Originally Posted by AdamZ

Not sure you can compare the i170 class gear to this i290 white... one took months to make, and required you to meet 2 star stats. It is the i150 white you should compare to this i290. Even then, that white set was not full i150 (which you needed the master book for), the offhand was i140 and the rest of left side ranged from i110 to i140.

Why wouldn't I compare the i290 set with the i170 set? It's pretty clear that they're both 10 ilvls below their respective scrip counterparts. This isn't about the difficulty of crafting either sets, but about the actual stats/ilvl of the sets.

Originally Posted by Nezerius

Why wouldn't I compare the i290 set with the i170 set? It's pretty clear that they're both 10 ilvls below their respective scrip counterparts. This isn't about the difficulty of crafting either sets, but about the actual stats/ilvl of the sets.

If you believe the i290 is equal to the i170 then the i290 will also carry us to 3 star? In HW you needed to craft the i170 to get to 3 star min (note you could do this was some crazy melds on the shared set and heavy melds on the i170 main/offhand, but did not know anyone who actually did that), you that used the ability to craft the 3 star min to get the iron works set. Basically if i290=i170 you are staying we not getting another crafting set to 4.2, which will be the only other one in SB.

The i290 should not be compared to the i170 for this reason. Really you can't compare HW to SB in this way. The removal of a weekly cap, no favor system has completely changed things.