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    CapricaLangley's Avatar
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    Silent Bay
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    Ragnarok
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    Reaper Lv 100

    Regarding Dragoon difficulty

    I read a lot of complaints about DRG being the most difficult melee dps in the game, thing that would mke it the worst risk-reward job. IMHO, DRG deserves its current DPS due to being the easiest melee dps in the game, and we have to deal with it. Playing DRG is basically repeating the same 2 combos over and over again, with 3 major buffs to keep track of. Only 3 positionals, the rest is all OGCD, and a timer which suffers the poor design choice behind the whole DRG gauge. The fact is, the class needs another rework. Playing DRG feels near braindead, it's the easiest job in the game for endgame content and pays that price with low DPS.
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    AmandaLashaquoa's Avatar
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    Amanda Lashaquoa
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    Diabolos
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    Bard Lv 70
    Arguable on easiest, I do think they deserve their dmg, which is NOT low, A DRG dps is very dependant on the player because even though the execution is easy on paper, doing it in an actual fight and not missing procs, positionals and aligning everything is another story.
    I don't know how you have a say on it though because you're a lv57 DRG; Clearly a troll post, good bait tho.
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    If you think your life is bad, these days I've found out that I play with 295ms.

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    Jonnycbad's Avatar
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Gilgamesh
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    Lancer Lv 100
    You're mistaken. Dragoon is not the most difficult DPS in the game, it's the most PUNISHING. No DPS is "hard" to play. Rather, some DPS are more forgiving of mistakes and others are less forgiving.

    Red mage is an example of an extremely forgiving job. You can mess your balance gauge up and still be really top tier DPS. Your worst mistake is maybe accidentally wasting a Dualcast proc on a Jolt II, or choosing the wrong Holy/Flare finisher and missing your Ver proc, not a big deal. During a long phase transition, Red Mage maintains their gauge, as there's no time limit nor decay on their accrued black mana and white mana. Dragoon is much more punishing and even when played perfectly, their damage is far lower than Red Mage. Even when making no mistakes, the current battles force Dragoon to lose their job gauge, where every other DPS keeps their gauge. Even Monks lose only their GL but not their Chakras (and GL3 can be gotten in 3 GCDs with Perfect Balance). Dragoon loses BOTH their eyes AND their BotD timer. For example, unlike Red Mage who keeps their mana gauge unless they spend it or die, Dragoon accrues Dragon Eyes from using Mirage Dive. It takes 4 eyes to enter Life of the Dragon, but the gauge and your eyes will vanish if the duration isn't extended within the time frame. That said, failing a mechanic and being petrified, dying, or long phase transitions force Dragoon to lose their gauge and any accrued eyes. If a Dragoon makes a mistake and uses Geirskogul too early, their Life of the Dragon phase is now delayed by 35 seconds. During Lakshmi or Susano's Ultimates, Dragoon loses their eyes and BotD and now it's a MINIMUM of 80 seconds before they can get Life of the Dragon again. Whereas a RDM keeps their stored Mana, a SAM keeps their stored Kenki, a MNK keeps their stored Chakra, a NIN keeps their stored Ninki. None of the resources that Dragoon accrues using their rotation is maintained, unlike EVERY other DPS.

    Again, there is no "hard/easy" DPS, only punishing/less punishing. You would think a more punishing job like Dragoon would have higher DPS since upkeeping their job gauge is extremely stressful and requires precise maintenance and planning ahead whereas RDM is a no-brainer and even if they mess up, they can correct it on their next cast. RDM does not have the stress of "if the boss becomes untargetable I'm going to lose the 74/76 mana I've stored and have to start again!". That being said, Dragoon's overall DPS is quite low considering the punishability of their job gauge relative to the mechanics of current fights.
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    Last edited by Jonnycbad; 07-20-2017 at 12:39 AM.

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    Khel's Avatar
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    Khel Pyke
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    Ultros
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    Dragoon Lv 70
    go play the class at max level and come back and talk. Lets not act like Dark Knight is rocket science.
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    Black Thought
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    Malboro
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    Lancer Lv 70
    2013 called and wants its tired arguments back. Sheesh.
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    Krisiun Alrion
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    Paladin Lv 70


    yep yep yep
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    Ogulbuk's Avatar
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    Atabey Guabancex
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    Behemoth
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CapricaLangley View Post
    I read a lot of complaints about DRG being the most difficult melee dps in the game, thing that would mke it the worst risk-reward job. IMHO, DRG deserves its current DPS due to being the easiest melee dps in the game, and we have to deal with it. Playing DRG is basically repeating the same 2 combos over and over again, with 3 major buffs to keep track of. Only 3 positionals, the rest is all OGCD, and a timer which suffers the poor design choice behind the whole DRG gauge. The fact is, the class needs another rework. Playing DRG feels near braindead, it's the easiest job in the game for endgame content and pays that price with low DPS.
    Git Gud has rarely been this appropriate.

    PSSSt, you got 4 positionals.
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    knotwrite's Avatar
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    Jin Kaze
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    Sargatanas
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    Dragoon Lv 70
    You don't have a single DPS job to 70, let alone a DRG. Your opinion on the matter is absolutely worthless.
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  9. #9
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    Blackbard's Avatar
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    Crass Blackbard
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    Malboro
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    Lancer Lv 70
    Originally I thought drg would be too easy from info in the media tour, which didn't change too much at release. The hope was that encounters would be difficult and varied enough to make up for this design choice, and happily they are decent enough to keep things very interesting. With bosses doing their best impressions of tops during Hanukkah, hitting our positions and keeping tabs of our buff windows while avoiding mechanics is fun and interesting enough. I don't feel we are too easy any more.
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    Yi Sug
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    Ragnarok
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by knotwrite View Post
    You don't have a single DPS job to 70, let alone a DRG. Your opinion on the matter is absolutely worthless.
    just like a lot of opinions on these forum
    people have no clue what they talking about , not just that when they proven wrong they still go on with the discussion
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