What consumers expect of a FF-title

[Zezlar]

XII and XIII were awesome in their own way. They changed it up, and in my opinion they delivered. I own every FF they released in the U.S. However XIV was the only one that I was disappointed with (at launch). The only reason i'm still here is because the dev team is now delivering, and promising something better.

Dalamud/Nael van Darnus has me interested.
Ifrit/Moggle Mog XII/Batraal fights are all fun as hell.

Story/Gameplay are the most important to me. Need to have both.

[Burn]

The gaming industry has evolved, SE is still living in the last decade. Thats not going to change until you get new blood in there who have bright new ideas.

[Zezlar]

The gaming industry has evolved, SE is still living in the last decade. Thats not going to change until you get new blood in there who have bright new ideas.

No they're not. They're moving forward, and that's what people are complaining about. They are changing the formula too much. Call of Duty for example is the same old crap every year, and yet the sales continue to rise (even though people complain they want change). People are afraid of change, and prefer to settle for mediocrity.

[Holy_Dragoon]

The problem with that is FF was not mediocre to begin with. They started good, perfected it (for game generation X), then changed decided to radically change the formulas instead of gradual changes into the current generation.

[Zezlar]

The problem with that is FF was not mediocre to begin with. They started good, perfected it (for game generation X), then changed decided to radically change the formulas instead of gradual changes into the current generation.

You're right. The old formula is a great one, but they couldn't rely on it forever. Look at Lost Odyssey for example. Critically it got slammed even harder than FFXIII did, and it used that same formula. They have to evolve over time or people will start to complain, but in this case people are complaining anyways. Final Fantasy doesn't need to evolve, the fans do, or they need to find something else to play.

[grandm]

this is exactly the case, there has been huge change, some ppl like the change some don't. and for the most part you can split the camps very easily. younger players like the change, older players do not.

[Zezlar]

this is exactly the case, there has been huge change, some ppl like the change some don't. and for the most part you can split the camps very easily. younger players like the change, older players do not.

You can't define it like that. I'm an older player, and I accept and embrace the change. Everyone does have that right to dislike the series direction, but it gets so unbelievably tiring having to listen to these complainers just bitch, and moan about EVERYTHING. They don't care about the series but yet, here they are in every thread spewing about what needs to happen. When is enough, enough? Those people need to change.

Final Fantasy is controversial because no one main game is like another, not everyone will enjoy each entry. I'm tired of being told that everyone hated Final Fantasy XII/XIII because that's a lie. If the internet was prominent around the time VII/VIII/IX were released I guarantee you this same crap that we are seeing with XII/XIII would have been going on back then.

[grandm]

You can't define it like that. I'm an older player, and I accept and embrace the change. Everyone does have that right to dislike the series direction, but it gets so unbelievably tiring having to listen to these complainers just bitch, and moan about EVERYTHING. They don't care about the series but yet, here they are in every thread spewing about what needs to happen. When is enough, enough? Those people need to change.

Final Fantasy is controversial because no one main game is like another, not everyone will enjoy each entry. I'm tired of being told that everyone hated Final Fantasy XII/XIII because that's a lie. If the internet was prominent around the time VII/VIII/IX were released I guarantee you this same crap that we are seeing with XII/XIII would have been going on back then.

i said for the "most part" i understand you can't pigeon-hole everyone, but i do think if you did a survey of FF fans asking which like the new direction and which never, i would bet more over 28's would like the older turn based, over dramatic huge open world experience of pre FF10, and the youngsters would like the quick paced, sober feeling, graphicly driven games of today. but like i said not every1 can be pigeon-holed

but i think holy_dragoon makes a very good point if they had left the FF series and started a whole new franchise with the new image of an RPG, then the old would not feel like their beloved final fantasy is changing before their eyes, and the new generation would have something the could call there own and bore their kids with story's of "when i was a kid computer games were much better" like we do ours :P

[Crazy]

My Final Fantasy XV wish list.

Hiroyuki Ito as producer and designer.
Hironobu Sakaguchi or someone with simular style for the story.
Nobuo Uematsu or Yasunori Mitsuda or someone with their caliber of story telling music.
More like a fable than a TV drama PLEASE!
No decerniable main character, just a lot of characters each with a small background story like FF6.

Sakaguchi wishes all his fans Happy Holidays with a cool picture. look
http://auuo.tumblr.com/

[Malakhim]

While it's true that the 6+ million sales of FFXIII might not necessarily be indicative of its quality, it has an aggregate score on Metacritic(which I'm usually loathe to cite) of around 85%, and even if only half of the people that bought it actually enjoyed it, that's still around 3 million people who enjoyed the game immensely(and as a guy who's gone through it 3 times over the course of its release year, I proudly count myself as one of those).

Although I can't really defend the game as much as say FFXII, since it had a pretty goofy development cycle and a lot of misdirection, I feel that it had a pretty interesting group of flawed characters that grew as the story progressed, beautiful visual and audio atmosphere(Hamauzu is brilliant), and a pretty interesting take on the ATB system.

"It's too linear!"

What were you doing in those towns in other FF games anyway other than buying gear and waiting for the next storyline
"hitbox" to trigger? News flash: Most if not all entries in the series(and JRPGs in general) are linear as all hell.

"Hope was a whiny bitch!"

I'd personally hate to meet the deranged psychopath who saw his mother die in front of him while having to suffer through the banal bullshit of the nonchalant asshole who's pretty much responsible, while being branded a freak of nature and condemned by all mankind just because he was at the wrong place at the wrong time and not break a sweat.