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    Player
    Nestmile's Avatar
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    Gerv'as Van
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    Siren
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    Bard Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Serilda View Post
    I personally find Deliverance and Defiance a bit confusing too. Their meanings are too similar to clearly show which is which from the names alone... and the words themselves are similar lengths with similar endings and beginnings. I recognise the buff icons just fine but the names of the abilities themselves tell me nothing.
    I always thought they should be switched based on the meanings of the names. "Deliverance" feels more like a tank stance since it has that connotation of "rescue" (i.e. rescuing the party by taking all the attacks to the face), where as "Defiance" feels more DPS-y to me since the word itself has a more confrontational connotation. Or at least that's how they seem to me.
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    DynamoAce's Avatar
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    Ace Ark
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    Malboro
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Anytime I didn't understand a word or if I wasn't sure if it was real, I hit up google.
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    Neridia Neririncia
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    Tonberry
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Vacuum Wave by ExDeath. One would expect it to suck you in, but nup.
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neri View Post
    Vacuum Wave by ExDeath. One would expect it to suck you in, but nup.
    Ever play Street Fighter? Shinku Hadouken means Vacuum Wave Fist. In this case, Vacuum isn't referring to a suction but rather it means emptiness/void, i.e vacuum of space.
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Riposte - a counter-attack --> used as an opening thrust
    Zwerchhau - a high horizontal "hewing strike" made with the false edge of the blade, usually to intercept and defeat downward diagonal strikes --> used as a Zorro signature
    Redoublement - returning a line of attack to its position from before it was displaced --> thrusts lots
    Diversion - The act of drawing the attention and forces of an enemy from the point of the principal operation --> reduces enemy's attention on... you, the diverting player...
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    Eeri Yul'hart
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    Ragnarok
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Riposte - a counter-attack --> used as an opening thrust
    Zwerchhau - a high horizontal "hewing strike" made with the false edge of the blade, usually to intercept and defeat downward diagonal strikes --> used as a Zorro signature
    Redoublement - returning a line of attack to its position from before it was displaced --> thrusts lots
    Diversion - The act of drawing the attention and forces of an enemy from the point of the principal operation --> reduces enemy's attention on... you, the diverting player...
    Zwercchau should have been called Chant du Cygne, because it's exactly the same animation as the XI WS of that name. Also Impact should have been Death Blossom for the same reason. Unless those are coming later with the next level cap.
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    Endris Caemwynn
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Riposte - a counter-attack --> used as an opening thrust
    Zwerchhau - a high horizontal "hewing strike" made with the false edge of the blade, usually to intercept and defeat downward diagonal strikes --> used as a Zorro signature
    Redoublement - returning a line of attack to its position from before it was displaced --> thrusts lots
    Diversion - The act of drawing the attention and forces of an enemy from the point of the principal operation --> reduces enemy's attention on... you, the diverting player...
    Wouldn't Redoublement be more or less correct? Corps-a-Corps starts with the rapier at the center of the body, it's moved to pointing down and right by the end of Zwerchhau, and Redoublement moves it back to the center.
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    Tani Shirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    Wouldn't Redoublement be more or less correct? Corps-a-Corps starts with the rapier at the center of the body, it's moved to pointing down and right by the end of Zwerchhau, and Redoublement moves it back to the center.
    I've only ever seen the term used to describe a return from a displacement caused by the opponent. But I've never seen or heard of someone purposely leaving center line by such a large margin as they'd need to double back, let alone to attempt to cleave someone's thighs with a "foil" (an edge-less, ball-tipped training sword).
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    Ethan Vayne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Diversion - The act of drawing the attention and forces of an enemy from the point of the principal operation --> reduces enemy's attention on... you, the diverting player...
    Your aggro is taking a diversion from going less to you, more to the target of target.
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    K'hali Thalen
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    Goblin
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    Scholar Lv 71
    Any samurai class skill. /thread

    (I know, i know, they're all Japanese sword techniques. But I can't for the life of me keep any of them straight)
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