[Stormblood] [Dragoon Rotation] COME ON AND SLAM

[Frowny]

In a B4B window, you can easily squeeze both in. The only time PPS would come into play, I'd think, is if a buff is going to fall off soon which requires prioritizing. Yes, Jump is more potent but when we look at possibly opening a 320 potency move sooner... perhaps shifting SSD isn't a bad idea?

[Nora_of_Mira]

Has anyone experimented with a high SKS build (1600+)? I met a DRG in-game while pugging O2S who claims he can get 200+ dps than the DH/crit builds because you "get more hits off during buff windows". I haven't been able to test this (because I dont have the gil yet) but if so, I'm really interested.

[J1992]

a question, at susano extreme, some people are claiming that 3100 is the minimal dps requirement. I find it quite odd, because ive been in groups with way lower dps and we still made it. So whats actually the minimal? I would say about 2700 and not dying.

[HoLoFoNo]

Has anyone experimented with a high SKS build (1600+)? I met a DRG in-game while pugging O2S who claims he can get 200+ dps than the DH/crit builds because you "get more hits off during buff windows". I haven't been able to test this (because I dont have the gil yet) but if so, I'm really interested.

Without any proof, he is most likely talking shit. The SKS threshold you would need to get an extra GCD within a buff window would likely need to be quite higher than that (maybe in the 2500+ league, I'm not quite sure). Also because BfB is no longer 30%, and DS and BfB only line up every 3rd BfB and 2nd DS which would still make it weaker than BfB, getting extra hits in the buff windows isn't a super large DPS gain anyway.

However, DRG gear always has copious amounts of SkS so maybe the Devs are trying to tell us something, no more TP issues coupled with the damage buff to autos and DET being buffed for autos aswell means that SkS is no longer a trash stat at least, the weight is quite close. However SkS suffers the most with downtime which is quite a common thing in O3S and O4S. Dhit and Crit despite being RNG are far more reliable

[TheKingSlayer]

In a B4B window, you can easily squeeze both in. The only time PPS would come into play, I'd think, is if a buff is going to fall off soon which requires prioritizing. Yes, Jump is more potent but when we look at possibly opening a 320 potency move sooner... perhaps shifting SSD isn't a bad idea?

While it may be a small potency loss, I like SSD and Geirk early in the opener. It lines up better with 2nd SSD (4th eye) and Gierk coming off CD with in 6 secs of each other, this allows less time having to wait for Geirk to come back up to pop LoTD. Just a QoL sorta thing.

[Ogulbuk]

a question, at susano extreme, some people are claiming that 3100 is the minimal dps requirement. I find it quite odd, because ive been in groups with way lower dps and we still made it. So whats actually the minimal? I would say about 2700 and not dying.

Sounds more like the minimal DPS they are willing to accept for their farms, but don't quote me on this. I have not done so, but know people that have and my understanding is that they are more mechanics based than anything else.

[Vateriel]

Hi, how would the opener look without taking a potion? You do mention some stuff in the bottom of your post, but I am unsure how the actual rotation looks like without a potion based on that information.

[kyrios91]

Hi, how would the opener look without taking a potion? You do mention some stuff in the bottom of your post, but I am unsure how the actual rotation looks like without a potion based on that information.

(Heavy Thrust) Blood of the Dragon
(Impulse Drive) Battle Litany
(Disembowel) Dragon Sight + Blood for Blood
(Chaos Thrust) Jump
(Wheeling Thrust) Mirage Dive + Geirskogul
(Fang and Claw) Spineshatter Dive
(True Thrust) Dragonfire Dive
(Vorpal Thrust) Mirage Dive + Life Surge
(Full Thrust)
(Fang and Claw)
(Wheeling Thrust)

Basically just move 1 oGCD to the pot's spot. In this case, BOTD is the perfect candidate to pop (even pre-pull).

[Frowny]

Does the order of double-weave buffs matter or let's say can I use Blood for Blood + Dragon Sight instead of Dragon Sight + Blood for Blood?

It shouldn't matter too much I'd think, unless you're going for massive optimization. Worse case maybe 1 gcd isn't buffed under a window. The only general rules are trying to pair B4B/LS with FT and B4B with CT for the DoT buff.

[SunnyHirose]

The differences between openers are forgivable in a long run; tens of potency lost over ~30 seconds, while tragic, is swimming in a sea of several thousand in the same timeframe (not even counting autoattacks). And in a short run, you can usually try your options out. In the future I hope to put together some charts to really explore these options, but that's not even on the horizon right now.

In tonight's edit (so... much... testing...), I will be swapping Blood for Blood into an earlier slot to alleviate That Thing: holding the 5th Mirage Dive for too long. It's possible to manage, but I think just one more GCD of slack makes it far less risky, plus I'm sure most of us are chomping at the bit to actually get to LotD by that point. It will perhaps be a weaker opener on paper, but technically it's more aggressive with the stronger cooldown, so without proving it, I think it's hardly even a tradeoff; a Mirage Dive and/or a delayed LotD window is the worse loss by far.

In retrospect, I should have noticed that 60s and 80s is more than 15s difference, but on patch day I was excited by the Mirage Dive change and eager to get straight to the jumps.