[Stormblood] [Dragoon Rotation] COME ON AND SLAM

[SunnyHirose]

You are a saint. /10char

I'm just trying to git a little gudder every day. Thanks for the support.

Sunny I would like to mention that using if you are using an Infusion pot, it may be more beneficial to use that after impulse drive as with lower skill speed (what we are aiming for) using BfB and DS may cause the earlier one or even both to fall off before the lance mastery strike which now is stronger but even before. This also means that DS comes up just before a lance mastery and BfB should miss chaos thrust and come under lance mastery also.

Thank you. One thing I completely missed is that new potions (infusions) have a duration of 30 seconds. The pot-goes-last thing is a relic of 15 second potions and I don't want to confuse the issue by catering to both, so for the moment I will just assume people have deeper pockets than I believe most do. I have bumped the "big four" back now.

[HoLoFoNo]

Sunny I would like to mention that using if you are using an Infusion pot, it may be more beneficial to use that after impulse drive as with lower skill speed (what we are aiming for) using BfB and DS may cause the earlier one or even both to fall off before the lance mastery strike which now is stronger but even before. This also means that DS comes up just before a lance mastery and BfB should miss chaos thrust and come under lance mastery also.

[Teriel]

Sunny I would like to mention that using if you are using an Infusion pot, it may be more beneficial to use that after impulse drive as with lower skill speed (what we are aiming for) using BfB and DS may cause the earlier one or even both to fall off before the lance mastery strike which now is stronger but even before. This also means that DS comes up just before a lance mastery and BfB should miss chaos thrust and come under lance mastery also.

i usually do at 3s before the pull
(BotD) Elusive Jump
(Heavy Thrust) Battle Litany
(Impulse Drive) Infusion of Strength
(Disembowel) Blood for blood + Dragon Sight
(Chaos Thrust) Jump
(Wheeling Thrust) Mirage Dive
(Fang and Claw) Dragonfire Dive
(True Thrust) Spineshatter Dive
(Vorpal Thrust) Geirskogul + Life Surge
(Full Thrust) Mirage Dive
(Fang and Claw)
(Wheeling Thrust)
works out pretty well and you can usually squeeze in another Heavy thrust before B4B and dragon sight wear off

[Jonnycbad]

i usually do at 3s before the pull
(BotD) Elusive Jump
(Heavy Thrust) Battle Litany
(Impulse Drive) Infusion of Strength
(Disembowel) Blood for blood + Dragon Sight
(Chaos Thrust) Jump
(Wheeling Thrust) Mirage Dive
(Fang and Claw) Dragonfire Dive
(True Thrust) Spineshatter Dive
(Vorpal Thrust) Geirskogul + Life Surge
(Full Thrust) Mirage Dive
(Fang and Claw)
(Wheeling Thrust)
works out pretty well and you can usually squeeze in another Heavy thrust before B4B and dragon sight wear off

Not sure what my problem is, but when I do this, B4B is not up for when I get LoTD up, and I only get 1 Natrond under B4B when I thought we should be able to get at least 2 Nastrond under B4B, unless the first is the exception?

[Sparhwk]

Checking the gear calculator since they were amazing with updating fast. Full 340 gear focuing on crit/DH is a huge drop in Skill speed. Around 734 which is roughly 2.44 GCD. Open materia slots not taken up by Crit/DH would put us at 854 or 2.42 GCD. The good news is we have a TON more crit, capping out at a little above 2000 with materia.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/11GT5 Here's the link for what i messed around with for a BiS trying to max crit. Please pick apart as needed.

There's some room to play with skill speed "if" we need more. Just need to figure out how much we should have first then work from there.

[SunnyHirose]

It can get lower than that... 481 D:

Well, that brings us to the first two (ahem) speedbumps on gearing.

One, is SS needed to overcome something or other that's important, or is the mostly RNG per-hit improvement still the real winner? The whole 9-hit BfB thing or getting it one GCD sooner/later has yet to enthuse me. But there are unexplored rotational considerations now, plus it will never do to ignore relevant fights in relation to the windows of keep-up mechanics.

Two, assuming low SS is acceptable, at i340 it would appear that you do in fact hit a point where Crit is significantly stackable if you have access to all pieces. And by that I mean it overtakes Direct Hit and Determination by quite a bit (of course, because you need to sac a ton of DH/DET to do it, I estimate it's only ~0.2% better?).

edit: Just tested 0 SS on a dummy. If anything, I find it a lot easier because you have time to ponder positionals and what order to use cooldowns. I don't consider it a problem per se, for now. I'm still worried about how it works in actual raids; people are talking a good game about being capped at 30s all the time, but at strict 2.5s GCD you are starting to fight the timer a little.

[J1992]

The heavy trust flanking and fang and claw flanking, are they a must??? and what difference is it (%) or dps wise?? advanced combat tracker doesnt work for me anymore dunno why.
Because i find it a really pain doing that AND avoiding crap from the bosses, is it really a must? i know that it if you look at base dmg of the skills when flanking its about 40% more. Just trying to know if its worth the hassle for doing it.

[Ogulbuk]

The heavy trust flanking and fang and claw flanking, are they a must??? and what difference is it (%) or dps wise?? advanced combat tracker doesnt work for me anymore dunno why.
Because i find it a really pain doing that AND avoiding crap from the bosses, is it really a must? i know that it if you look at base dmg of the skills when flanking its about 40% more. Just trying to know if its worth the hassle for doing it.

OK, ignoring off gcds, you are inflicting about 305.4545 potency per gcd if you use the positionals

If you ignore positionals and always attack from the rear: 281.18 potency per GCD
If you ignore positionals and always attack from flank: 289.09 potency per GCD.

So you are losing between 5.4% to 7.9% less potency per GDC damage.

*for simplicity, assuming the Full Thrust buff and Disembowel Debuff are maintained throughout a long boss fight.

If you are having issues maneuvering for any personal reason, then I'd try your best to at least always attack from flank. It is well worth to put the effort to seek the right position, though. No one ever gets it always perfect, some enemies just randomly turn, sometimes the tanks are hysterical on their feet and turn the boss. If you can avoid AoE patches regularly, with practice, you can get the hang out of the positional. As everything: practice makes perfect.

[J1992]

thanks for the reply, just found today out that flanking was also a thing thats why the question. even without the flanking i did get 2900 dps at the snake boss. Just tried flanking with susano extreme, i think i need to get familier with it, first pull was disaster but steadily i avoided everything and did the right things. No ACT atm, it doesnt work dunno why. but i did see the difference, when i flanked i saw crits of 11k orso with fang and claw, and heavy trust was also quite high. Just need to figure out what my dps is, damn meter doesnt work.

[kyrios91]

The heavy trust flanking and fang and claw flanking, are they a must??? and what difference is it (%) or dps wise?? advanced combat tracker doesnt work for me anymore dunno why.
Because i find it a really pain doing that AND avoiding crap from the bosses, is it really a must? i know that it if you look at base dmg of the skills when flanking its about 40% more. Just trying to know if its worth the hassle for doing it.

It's a must. It's not even a min-maxing matter anymore, esp. a 5th combo FnC and WT since it's a +90 potency difference so you wouldn't want to miss it.