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    Nora_of_Mira's Avatar
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    Nora Origo
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    Excalibur
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    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by SunnyHirose View Post
    Missed positionals are less harsh on us now, correct positional on uncombo'd CT does 10 less (wat).
    This doesn't feel like a buff for normal content where positionals are easy to land.. But we'll see how much a difference it makes in stuff like O1S and O2S (my only savage experience this expac) since there's a lot time being forced to miss positionals.
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    White Glint
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    Monk Lv 70
    In all fights with the exception of NEO you lose a tonne of positionals, luck dependant. This is about a 1-2% dps increase in every fight depending on the fight ofc.
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    Sunny Hirose
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    Hyperion
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    Lancer Lv 70
    So instead of chomping about 13% out of our GCDs it chomps about 6% out (when hitting from the front). Bear in mind GCDs are ~60% of total ideal DPS, so let's say you randomly miss about one in four positionals, that comes out to (40+60·(1-0.06/4))/(40+60·(1-0.13/4))=1.0107 improvement over patch 4.05.

    I don't know how many positionals people are actually missing (and of course SE was waiting on the numbers themselves), but if it's more often than that, 1%-2% sounds about right.
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    Sparhawk Kennis
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    Leviathan
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    Lancer Lv 70
    Is the tome weapon worth getting? I understand it's +1 damage and 16 more stength but dropping 263 DH for 268 SS feels like it's a loss to me.
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    Eyvhokan Poseidal
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparhwk View Post
    Is the tome weapon worth getting? I understand it's +1 damage and 16 more stength but dropping 263 DH for 268 SS feels like it's a loss to me.
    +1 weapon damage 16 more strength is a lot, which is bigger than the difference between substats.

    The main problem with SS is you can take another substat for a damage benefit without potentially limiting double weaving and increasing dot clipping.
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    Sunny Hirose
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    It is difficult to say, because I don't really know what WD is worth at level 70. If it is a (WD+33) factor like one might extrapolate from the HW formula, then for a Genta goon it could be like:

    (132·2316x·1.04525·1.044·1.052509458)÷(131·2300x·1.062·1.044·1.038516032)=1.01209625045

    This is underwhelming compared to what weapon upgrading used to be, but a solid gain. And you do need it for the upgraded version.

    EDIT: It probably is WD+33 on DRG, btw.
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    Last edited by SunnyHirose; 08-10-2017 at 06:42 AM.
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    Liquid Swordz
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    Balmung
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    Dragoon Lv 60
    Would the pentamelded chest with DH on it outweigh the omega nm piece? If so is it worth the increase?
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    Sunny Hirose
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    If that pentameld involves at least three G6 Heaven's Eyes, yes. But to evaluate its "worth" do understand like 1 STR is ~1.8 DPS at this tier of gear. Also, I'm thinking to downgrade secondaries slightly after testing STR out a bit.
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    Liquid Swordz
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    I just don't want to invest if the dps increase is minimal. My static is on OS4 so trying to pump out as much dps as possible
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    Omega Strongtan
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    Zodiark
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    Thaumaturge Lv 18
    What about refreshing Heavy Trust after every Chaos ---> wheeling ---> Fang Combo instead of every Full --> fang ---> wheeling combo?
    Sure you will refresh it early one time but after that it lines up fine and saves you a shitload of movement.
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