Developers Poor Attitude to Summoner

[Tahldon]

I don't feel that SMN was bad at all that it needed such a drastic divorce from what it was. Just as RDM had to be reimagined to fit in the world of FFXIV, SMN could have been left to do the same.

Sure, there are people who don't think it's so bad currently, but let us wait until the census to see if that opinion holds that sort of water... which I wager it will reflect the outcry we are having right now.

At this point, though, I don't see the devs going back on these changes despite the many people who don't agree with it.

So Naysay as it sounds ... SMN may be a wash until next expac

(Couldn't edit post from mobile btw)

[jackass1203]

Honestly I think they should just get rid of Egis and have them play more like traditional Summoners. As in dps normally and build up a gauge to be able to summon creatures that either do an action or stay out for a bit (30 sec to a minute) and be able to augment your abilities.
I honestly hate the way the egis work since when I’m trying to use abilities I have to spam that ability in order to get it to go off. As for the Physick working with Int thing I don’t really care if they do that.

[Airget]

I do have to wonder, why is Summon Bahamut on a 30 second recast? When you think about, is there truly a scenario that would enable you to somehow Summon bahamut in less that a minute after just summoning it? Though the reason I do bring this up is I wonder if the following would serve to make dying less painful. While it may have to alter the dmg potency of Summon bahamut, I do think it might work.

Basically, you put "Summon Bahamut" on a 2 min recast, However, rather than needing to use "Dreadwyrm Trance" twice to gain access to it, you instead just need to use 3 Aethertrail Attunement to Summon Bahamut. So Bahamut works as normal, cept now it's a 2 min recast, it's something you can open with however whenever you do go into "Dreadwyrm Trance" it reduces the recast of Summon Bahamut by 30 seconds. So there would be opportunity to summon it sooner if SMN builds up their charges quicker. Though I'll be honest and say the recast reduction may have no difference unless it was over one minute.


TLDR. Summon Bahamut uses the 3 stacks of Aethertrail Attunement rather than 2 "Dreadwyrm Trances". Dreadwyrm Trance serves as a way to reduce the recast of Summon Bahamut(2 min recast). Idea is dying becomes less punishing since you don't lose the built up Dreadwyrm Trances now that Summon Bahamut is tied to Aethertrail Attunement rather than the trances.

[eschaton]

I'm all for more black magic love as well, and as said many times before this all seems more solvable if SCH & SMN aren't leveled up as one. It still seems strange to begin with; you get a free healer or a free dps by just leveling one or the other. You might even say no wonder these aren't full blown healer nor dps right now?

[Angry_Evil]

I'm all for more black magic love as well, and as said many times before this all seems more solvable if SCH & SMN aren't leveled up as one. It still seems strange to begin with; you get a free healer or a free dps by just leveling one or the other. You might say no wonder these aren't full blown healer nor dps right now?

Umm no... SCH is a full blown healer. SCHs were actually the best healers in 3.0. That's why SE kinda overnerfed them in 4.0. Which was addressed in 4.05. But SMN was in a pretty good spot in 3.0 too - best aoe dps, pretty big ST dps rivaling BLMs and even MNKs sometimes. And it's painfully obvious that SMN was overnerfed too. I wrote several times already about how smn nerfs are there cause of bahamut and it "should" compensate them, but it does not. And it was not addressed in a slightest... or even acknowledged...

[Tahldon]

Boy, what I wouldn't give for a community manager to say "We hear you guys" right now.

There's some great feedback in here.

[Jeibird]

recast question

Demi bahamut is summonable after successfully exiting dwt twice. I believe deathflare now has something like a 12 second cd. after using the first 2 dwt you can wait to get flow again and attain 3 attunement without using dwt. summon Demi bahamut and do that. after he ends you can now immediately dwt again and if you felt like it instant deathflare. and oh what's this my flow is off cd. use that spam painflare e drain and the dot nuke thing I forgot the name of atm and oh look I have full attunement why not just dwt again deathflare again and bahamut again oh shit it's still on CD guess I gotta wait 20 more seconds and not have what is essentially 6 akh mornes in 30 seconds

[hynaku]

Until they change the smn back to how it was in heavensward I will be playing bard. Bahamut is just a waste you get 2 attacks out of it and if have titan out it looses all agro and has to start over.

[KittyPr]

it's sad to say , but

until we get sustain back i have more fun leveling my red mage .....with the rdm dual self-heal and the lack of sustain on smn , rdm makes a better class for hunts/ solo play

and i was smn since the launch of the game

square has to understand that not all of us play non stop in groups , heck i often dont even a single dungeon for the weekly marks ( hunts , potd , diadem are more than enough for marks )

jeez .......in pvp a SUMMONER cant even SUMMON with their changes ..... ( and a nin cant stealth without a combo first..... woohoo )

[TankHunter678]

I kinda wish that SMN would just get disconnected from Arcanist and Scholar entirely. Rework it completely and away from being a pet class DPS. Instead build around expanding the demi-bahamut system to include the other primals. Could even work it so that you cast primal themed spells (I dunno, summon ifrit's claw to launch a fireball, summon Garuda's wings to do a tornado pbAoE, summon Titan's fist to do a line AoE, etc) to build up aetherial "charge" with that primal so that you can summon its Demi version to cast their more iconic abilities and then they disappear.

That in my mind would be cooler then the egis we have now (that I just see people glam to carbuncles anyways).