Developers Poor Attitude to Summoner

[Chalbee]

The main reason, rather, the only reason I've been hearing, is RDM is easier to play. Okay; RDM has a low skill ceiling. SAM also has a low skill ceiling and deal ridiculous damage, but I've mostly only see MNKs complain about it because they feel they didn't get enough.

It's not that we don't feel we got enough, it's that the effort does not pay out. From everything I've heard, the SMN rotation is much, much more complex and punishing than RDM, but there aren't numbers to justify that. RDM and SMN are either equal or RDM hits harder, but summoners have to work a lot harder. That's a balance issue. It's not sour grapes, I'm not jealous of VerCure. I mean, it's probably too early to have consistent reliable numbers, but this is the complaint I see/hear most.

[Beckett]

The thing I don't get about Phsyick/Vercure is; If Summoners aren't meant to heal, why do they have Physick? It feels like another hold out from the split with Scholar, which they've clearly been working on lately (with actions such as removing the bonus stats). If Summoners are supposed to be their own job, without ties to Scholar such as minor healing utility, then Physick should just be removed from the job (and preferably replaced with some extra DPS or utility). If Summoners are supposed to have healing utility, why should the be objectively shit at it, when compared to Red Mage?

[Sandpark]

The thing I don't get about Phsyick/Vercure is; If Summoners aren't meant to heal, why do they have Physick? It feels like another hold out from the split with Scholar, which they've clearly been working on lately (with actions such as removing the bonus stats). If Summoners are supposed to be their own job, without ties to Scholar such as minor healing utility, then Physick should just be removed from the job (and preferably replaced with some extra DPS or utility). If Summoners are supposed to have healing utility, why should the be objectively shit at it, when compared to Red Mage?

They should never have had physick. I remember playing SMN in XI and usually in standard leveling parties, SMN would heal just because they had heal, especially at lower levels. Rdm was relegated to cure and haste ho.

I would prefer I have no cure whatsoever, so any buttons I need to press are reserved for controlling my pet. Which is what an FF fan really want to do when they play a summon job. If anything the pet should be healing me and should have an auto sustain so I don't have to cast heals.

If the class thing was gonna be permanent, summoner should have branched from it's own class called Evoker in my opinion.

I bet SE kind of regrets making summoner pets with different roles in a game with strict roles and no cross play between roles.

[Kallera]

SE regrets it because SE has been trying to pidgeonhole Summoner into a WOW class since day one, when it is supposed to be able to perform different utilities to some degree. They shouldn't need to throw its support abilities under the bus to make RDM look good, just give it different support skills, or expand the pet abilities. They do still have pets, right?

[Felis]

Aka go play Red Mage if you want to do competitive DPS.

No
Play Red Mage if you want to heal as a caster. The question was about Physic.

[Teryaani]

SE regrets it because SE has been trying to pidgeonhole Summoner into a WOW class since day one, when it is supposed to be able to perform different utilities to some degree. They shouldn't need to throw its support abilities under the bus to make RDM look good, just give it different support skills, or expand the pet abilities. They do still have pets, right?

Yeah, making the summoner an affliction warlock was an odd choice. The big party piece for it probably should have been the pet control and variety.

[Magic-Mal]

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Maybe Yoshida is tired of Summoner players, like you?

Don't like it? Play RDM : )
Looked pretty clear to me. Nothing will ever satisfy you people anyway.

[ResiakTtam]

The thing I don't get about Phsyick/Vercure is; If Summoners aren't meant to heal, why do they have Physick? It feels like another hold out from the split with Scholar, which they've clearly been working on lately (with actions such as removing the bonus stats). If Summoners are supposed to be their own job, without ties to Scholar such as minor healing utility, then Physick should just be removed from the job (and preferably replaced with some extra DPS or utility). If Summoners are supposed to have healing utility, why should the be objectively shit at it, when compared to Red Mage?

Thats the problem. Physick is stuck with us because of sch. If you make physick a job ability, what happens when a sch does leveling roulette and goes under lvl 30. That would kind of be tough if your healer doesn't have a heal. So they have to leave it as an archanist ability, which means it's stuck with us summoners.

[Teryaani]

Maybe Yoshida is tired of Summoner players, like you?

Don't like it? Play RDM : )
Looked pretty clear to me. Nothing will ever satisfy you people anyway.

You could argue the same lame point about every other time people complained about class changes (how about that cast time for bards? amirite?) . The root of the summoner's problem is that it's tied weirdly to arcanist rather than being it's own class. It's always been an oddball and isn't a really great design. The heal thing is a side effect of that and taking away sustain was a mistake. If the class was better designed we wouldn't have a raise or a basic heal, we'd have a pet raise and a pet heal and a stack of eidolon focused abilities.

[Uzephi]

Thats the problem. Physick is stuck with us because of sch. If you make physick a job ability, what happens when a sch does leveling roulette and goes under lvl 30. That would kind of be tough if your healer doesn't have a heal. So they have to leave it as an archanist ability, which means it's stuck with us summoners.

Idea: just make it so level 30 summoner turns physick to sustain, problem solved