Thread: 4.05 - Tank DPS comparison

Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

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I've been advocating adding a free DA proc to TBN.
TBN and BS are great abilities but they should be more rewarding. Especially as DRK rotation has little depth atm. Rewarding more use of TBN would be a good way to make the class more interesting.
Problem is that you'd have a bigger dps gap between players who can consistently break TBN and people who mistime it.

Originally Posted by Shinkyo

I've been advocating adding a free DA proc to TBN.
TBN and BS are great abilities but they should be more rewarding. Especially as DRK rotation has little depth atm. Rewarding more use of TBN would be a good way to make the class more interesting.
Problem is that you'd have a bigger dps gap between players who can consistently break TBN and people who mistime it.

Successful TBN shield breaks returning all or half of the mp cost would be epic.

Originally Posted by Shinkyo

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Maybe a modification of my earlier suggestion; bake in the DA effect, but instead of a "free" BS or Quietus, make it so the next two blood gauge moves are half cost (with the DA effect working on the first move used). This amounts to a "free" BS or Quietus overall (in that you get 2 for the price of 1) but also enables using Delirium at reduced cost. If you give the buff a long enough duration, maybe 15s so it would be possible to proc another TBN right as the first buff is ending, you open up a lot of interesting possibilities where you could conceivably get 5 or 6 BS, maybe even more, in a single BW window with the help of Delirium.

Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

That seems pretty OP to me and I don't think it would make the class more interesting since it would just result in more TBN spam, not necessarily more strategic usage of TBN.

Yes, it would need some tweaking for sure.
I'm still fine the way DRK is at the moment. The real only change I'd want is to revamp the DA effect on Dark Mind to mitigate all damage type.
SE still need to compensate us for remove DRK reprisal >_<
That's really the main gap in the class.

Originally Posted by Shinkyo

Yes, it would need some tweaking for sure.
I'm still fine the way DRK is at the moment. The real only change I'd want is to revamp the DA effect on Dark Mind to mitigate all damage type.
SE still need to compensate us for remove DRK reprisal >_<
That's really the main gap in the class.

I completely agree that the biggest functionality/performance gap is in the mitigation cd's and that is the highest priority problem that should be addressed for DRK.

I'm not really sold on making Dark Mind mitigate magic and physical damage though. Dark Mind is pretty damn powerful for raidwide/partywide damage and for tank busters since they have been skewed towards being magic damage. A 30% all encompassing damage mitigation ability every 60 seconds at the cost of a single DA coupled with also being able to TBN may be a bit much. I personally feel that it's limitation of being magic only helps balance out how powerful it can be.

Instead I would rather find a way to address the specific underlying problem which is not having enough for mitigating the "junk" damage from things like trash mobs, auto-attacks and the like.

Many people, myself included, have proposed adding a defensive buff to Blood Price but the more I have thought of it, the more I dislike the idea because it would limit the necessary extra defense to Grit which would hamper stance dancing. I know that WAR has IB locked to Defiance, but that is actually not that bad since you want to pop over to Defiance and use IB for busters and then swap back to Deliverance to push DPS in the junk damage phases. In this instance they line up correctly, making it work smoothly for stance dancing. If the junk damage defense for DRK was tied to Grit you would be stuck to that for the junk damage phases when you would want to be out of Grit. It simply would work against stance dancing.

I have been trying to think of a solution to this mitigation problem but I haven't come up with anything that I am happy with yet.

Two things for certain though as far as DRK defensives, Shadow Wall needs to have it's recast reduced to at least 120 seconds and Living Dead needs to be reworked so that it is more user-friendly with better visual messaging and the "you die" punishment needs to be gotten rid of and replaced with something less severe.

Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

A 30% all encompassing damage mitigation ability every 60 seconds at the cost of a single DA coupled with also being able to TBN may be a bit much. I personally feel that it's limitation of being magic only helps balance out how powerful it can be.

Definitely, I would not leave the DA effect to dark mind at 30% mitigation.
I'd say DA+Dark Mind is still only 15% damage but cost a DA to make it mitigate all damage type.

Originally Posted by Shinkyo

Definitely, I would not leave the DA effect to dark mind at 30% mitigation.
I'd say DA+Dark Mind is still only 15% damage but cost a DA to make it mitigate all damage type.

But then it would detract from DRK's tank buster mitigation toolkit where DA+DM shines for a boost in soaking auto-attacks and other less nasty damage.

I'm not sure that is a worthwhile trade-off.

Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

But then it would detract from DRK's tank buster mitigation toolkit where DA+DM shines for a boost in soaking auto-attacks and other less nasty damage.

I'm not sure that is a worthwhile trade-off.

Dark Mind + TBN is already better than DA+DM so we wouldn't lose anything.