Thread: 4.05 - Tank DPS comparison

Originally Posted by DWolfwood

I don't see how since you can still easily proc Delirium in the first BW window, if you open with BW.

I think they're referring to using TBN early on to get the instant 50 blood. Applies both when tanking and OT on pull, since you could throw TBN on MT (and be virtually guaranteed to proc b/c it would only be a 10% shield).

Originally Posted by DWolfwood

Every time you use Bloodspiller, you're losing out on 3.33 Bloodgauge. If we take the remainder of Bloodspiller's potency over the average GCD, it's 143.34. You divide this by 50 to obtain the potency per Bloodgauge, which is 2.8668. Now you multiply this by 3.33 and you get 9.546. Add this to your math.

That doesn't make any sense. There is no "potency per blood gauge". The only potency your Blood Gauge offers is by using Bloodspiller.

Originally Posted by Reynhart

That doesn't make any sense. There is no "potency per blood gauge". The only potency your Blood Gauge offers is by using Bloodspiller.

You assume 50 blood = 400 pot (out of grit) or 475 Pot (in grit).

From there it is easy to extrapolate pot/blood. Souleater grants 10 blood so anything that pushes it back a GCD costs potency.

Originally Posted by DWolfwood

TBN is back to being a slight DPS loss.

He mentioned TBN because he was using the dummy, so he couldnt use TBN for the Blood Gauge gains. It affects the outcome, so it was worth mentioning.

Originally Posted by Shinkyo

Just an FYI, I parsed my 3 tanks in 4.05 on susano dummy (same gear and ilvl) and the results are:
- WAR: 3000 dps

Shinkyo u seem to pretty much know what your talkin bout on tanks , well I usually try to follow like xenos dps guides and stuff like that but for sb I literally cant find good rotations on any of the tanks without other people sayin that its not optimal if you could would you mind posting your rotation for each tank, I understand if you wouldnt its just no updated guides on the best tankin rotation at all from what Im seeing

Originally Posted by bswpayton

Shinkyo u seem to pretty much know what your talkin bout on tanks , well I usually try to follow like xenos dps guides and stuff like that but for sb I literally cant find good rotations on any of the tanks without other people sayin that its not optimal if you could would you mind posting your rotation for each tank, I understand if you wouldnt its just no updated guides on the best tankin rotation at all from what Im seeing

I've taken this thread to Reddit and I've actually gone in details in term of rotation.
Link here

Keep in mind that what I do as rotation isn't necessarily min/maxed nor backed up by complex theorycrafting.
I do what makes the most sense to me to push my DPS and I manage to get good results.

Originally Posted by Shinkyo

Well it doesn't change the fact that WAR rotation is still very disrupted by mechanics and it'll take a bit more time before people optimize for the fight.
PLD rotation is like driving with every red lights turned green and with a gps telling you where to go...

I don't see that being an issue, they wouldn't have been able to clear v3s by now if his rotation was not on point.

All that Bloodspiller potency math is very nice, but it makes one major assumption that is categorically untrue; it assumes you are constantly rolling your GCD while attacking what amounts to a massive wall of HP that has no mechanics to it. It's literally an on-paper theoretical approach to attacking an infinite-HP rock that will never attack back. As such, it all looks very good on paper but does it account for missing GCD's due to boss jumps? Having to dodge mechanics? Saving someones life via the absorb on TBN?

Saying "TBN is always a DPS loss over DA" goes too far. If you were to say "TBN is a DPS loss assuming you can maintain X amount of GCD uptime" then that would be more accurate. But as it stands, you (and supposedly the other, more learned individuals) are making a major statistical error in assuming full, 100% GCD rolling at all times, not to mention the application of conditional buffs like Balance, Spear, Brotherhood, TA etc. I'm guessing TBN would be a gain over DA if it meant you got an extra Bloodspiller activation during the 10 second TA window, even with the "opportunity cost" factored in.

So don't use TBN unless it's the start of the fight or a mechanic in need of mitigation? So lost with all this math