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    Fayhd Apollo
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    4.05 - Tank DPS comparison

    Just an FYI, I parsed my 3 tanks in 4.05 on susano dummy (same gear and ilvl) and the results are:
    - WAR: 3000 dps
    - PLD: 2750 dps
    - DRK: 2750 dps

    Considering no slashing debuff on PLD/DRK parse, all tanks do roughly similar dps.
    Numbers are a bit biased because DRK doesn't benefit from TBN which greatly delays Delirium window.
    War is also at a disadvantage because the dummy dies just before the 2nd IR+Zerk.
    PLd having a more sustained DPS is less impacted.
    So in actual fight, I would see WAR > DRK > PLD but pretty close to each other.
    My guess is that there would be ~100-200 dps variance at my curent ilvl which ~5% for WAR and DRK probably in the middle.
    I think it's pretty balance from a dps perspective.
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    Kothos Dullmill
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    If that's correct, war is dead, that explains why most prog groups are running using DRK/PLD. Great job SE
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    In the runs I am seeing from my a static in my fc the war is doing less than the pld still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzy_Derp View Post
    In the runs I am seeing from my a static in my fc the war is doing less than the pld still.
    Well it doesn't change the fact that WAR rotation is still very disrupted by mechanics and it'll take a bit more time before people optimize for the fight.
    PLD rotation is like driving with every red lights turned green and with a gps telling you where to go...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkyo View Post
    Numbers are a bit biased because DRK doesn't benefit from TBN which greatly delays Delirium window.
    TBN is back to being a slight DPS loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkyo View Post
    Just an FYI, I parsed my 3 tanks in 4.05 on susano dummy (same gear and ilvl) and the results are:
    - WAR: 3000 dps
    Shinkyo u seem to pretty much know what your talkin bout on tanks , well I usually try to follow like xenos dps guides and stuff like that but for sb I literally cant find good rotations on any of the tanks without other people sayin that its not optimal if you could would you mind posting your rotation for each tank, I understand if you wouldnt its just no updated guides on the best tankin rotation at all from what Im seeing
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    L'arc Ciel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kothos View Post
    If that's correct, war is dead, that explains why most prog groups are running using DRK/PLD. Great job SE
    I've been watching Xeno's stream all morning, and they're running DRK/PLD as well, but I didn't see TBN making such a difference, and the DRK is actually MT'ing, so if WAR does even a little more DPS when optimized, eventually we'll see more WAR/PLD I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWolfwood View Post
    TBN is back to being a slight DPS loss.
    This isn't true.

    4.0:

    150+250(+70)+280 = 750
    750 / 3 = 250
    380(-140) = 240
    A loss of -10 PPGCD.

    4.01:

    150+250(+70)+280 = 750
    750 / 3 = 250
    400(-140) = 260
    A gain of 10 PPGCD.

    4.05:

    150+250(+70)+300 = 770
    770 / 3 = 256.6666666....
    400(-140) = 260
    A gain of ~4 PPGCD.
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    Last edited by SyzzleSpark; 07-19-2017 at 03:03 AM.

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    Ociela Koslun
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWolfwood View Post
    TBN is back to being a slight DPS loss.
    He mentioned TBN because he was using the dummy, so he couldnt use TBN for the Blood Gauge gains. It affects the outcome, so it was worth mentioning.
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    Dylan Wolfwoodicus
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    Quote Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark View Post
    This isn't true.
    Calm down, don't shout.

    You're ignoring the opportunity cost of Bloodgauge every time you use Bloodspiller.

    Every time you use Bloodspiller, you're losing out on 3.33 Bloodgauge. If we take the remainder of Bloodspiller's potency over the average GCD, it's 143.34. You divide this by 50 to obtain the potency per Bloodgauge, which is 2.8668. Now you multiply this by 3.33 and you get 9.546. Add this to your math.

    It's a marginal loss. Less than before, but still a loss.

    Quote Originally Posted by OcieKo View Post
    He mentioned TBN because he was using the dummy, so he couldnt use TBN for the Blood Gauge gains. It affects the outcome, so it was worth mentioning.
    I don't see how since you can still easily proc Delirium in the first BW window, if you open with BW.
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    Last edited by DWolfwood; 07-19-2017 at 03:22 AM.
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