ELI5 What is wrong with SMN?

[paradigmfellow]

Just read this post. It sums up a lot of my grief.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nd-here-s-why.

[RyuujinZERO]

Just read this post. It sums up a lot of my grief.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nd-here-s-why.

I saw that list, but 4 of them are basically complaints that SMN 4.0 doesn't play like SMN 2.0 anymore (DoT class), and doesn't fit your class-fantasy ideal of a summoner (Not a 'real' pet class), while #6 is really a matter of personal opinion.

As I say I disliked SMN 2.0, enjoy SMN 4.0 (even with all it's builder phases), and never played SMN 3.0.

So, coming to the class with fresh eyes and no preconceptions of how it 'should' play, is there any mechanical issues, or is this mostly about SMN having suffered a playstyle shift over time? (Much same reason I dropped DRG 3.0)

[paradigmfellow]

I saw that list, but 4 of them are basically complaints that SMN 4.0 d....

One is that if you die, you are SEVERELY punished than most other classes (tie with DRG). Your stacks restart, including Bahamut stacks.
There is a lot of cooldown management. You have to plan it out with the fight and if you do not execute with perfect accuracy, then you will end up being the last dps.
Pet reaction is worse in Stormblood than in HW.
Bahamut has ghosting issues. The game will not register a damage with 2 seconds left in the gauge. Even though there was a hit.
If you move while Bahamut is out and do attacks, Bahamut will not attack and will follow you instead.
In order to get 11 or 12 actions from Bahamut, you have to use Addelle during Bahamut, instead of using it for proper mitigation.
Devotion effing sucks, planning for someone to get devotion will result in a dps loss and even just using it can lead to a dps loss because you could have used another attack.
Bane sucks, there is almost no reason to use it and instead, you should use painflare.
Atherflow can not be used while in Dreadwyrm trance.

[Clover210]

I saw that list, but 4 of them are basically complaints that SMN 4.0 doesn't play like SMN 2.0 anymore (DoT class), and doesn't fit your class-fantasy ideal of a summoner (Not a 'real' pet class), while #6 is really a matter of personal opinion.

As I say I disliked SMN 2.0, enjoy SMN 4.0 (even with all it's builder phases), and never played SMN 3.0.

Then you should just play what you like. If you enjoy playing SMN in its current state then keep playing it to your heart's content. Just one thing though

Don't expect to have a place in my party finder :^)

[Tsukaasa]

Then you should just play what you like. If you enjoy playing SMN in its current state then keep playing it to your heart's content. Just one thing though

Don't expect to have a place in my party finder :^)

pff, do you really think taking a smn is preventing to do savage content ? Or any ex ?

This is so stupid to think like that, if you can master your job, whatever the content it'll be fine.

[Ariomi]

pff, do you really think taking a smn is preventing to do savage content ? Or any ex ?

This is so stupid to think like that, if you can master your job, whatever the content it'll be fine.

Beat O1s earlier. Couldn't do it with a Summoner. Their dps was 700 below everyone else, and nobody died until enrage.

[AsbelLahnt]

pff, do you really think taking a smn is preventing to do savage content ? Or any ex ?

This is so stupid to think like that, if you can master your job, whatever the content it'll be fine.

It's specifically people with this type of chip on their shoulder that hurts classes way more than SE does. If they believe that a class is lowest on the damage ring, they won't even give them a time of day.

I see the later comment saying that they couldn't beat O1S with a summoner in their group. My thoughts are, maybe you couldn't beat them with *that* summoner. I just cannot believe that it is impossible for a group to beat every dungeon/trial/raid in this game while playing their preferred classes...and doing well with them, even if that class happens to be a SMN.

[Ariomi]

It's specifically people with this type of chip on their shoulder that hurts classes way more than SE does. If they believe that a class is lowest on the damage ring, they won't even give them a time of day.

I see the later comment saying that they couldn't beat O1S with a summoner in their group. My thoughts are, maybe you couldn't beat them with *that* summoner. I just cannot believe that it is impossible for a group to beat every dungeon/trial/raid in this game while playing their preferred classes...and doing well with them, even if that class happens to be a SMN.

Proven fact summoner is the lowest dps -tied with Machinist.

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15...036&dataset=60

SE hurts Summoner more then anything else. You think if Summoner was near red mage people would complain?

I was a summoner when I cleared a12 savage. Trust me, I want summoner to be good more then anyone else. And it's not.