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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackironTarkus View Post
    Again, assuming all other gear increases in stats as they always have.
    Between i270 and i340, STR has increased by :
    +0.00294118/ilvl on a weapon
    +0.00172425/ilvl on head/hands/feet
    +0.00282291/ilvl on body and legs
    +0.00129318/ilvl on waist and accessories
    For VIT accessories, it's a little different, but checking i320, i330 and i340, STR has increased by :
    -0,0000735/ilvl on VIT accessories (So, in fact, the ratio is decreasing)

    I used those numbers to imagine what stats would be at ilvl 410, 480, 550, 620 and 690, starting from the i340 values if the stats increase at the same rate. With these calculation, I ended, at ilvl690, at 9572 STR for DRG and 7037 STR for PLD (Without any STR meld), so a ratio of 73%.

    Stats will probably change before we reach such a high ilvl (If we ever), but, with this ratio, tanks are still far from being outmatched in enmity.
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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Between i270 and i340, STR has increased by :
    +0.00294118/ilvl on a weapon
    +0.00172425/ilvl on head/hands/feet
    +0.00282291/ilvl on body and legs
    +0.00129318/ilvl on waist and accessories
    For VIT accessories, it's a little different, but checking i320, i330 and i330, STR has increased by :
    -0,0000735/ilvl on VIT accessories (So, in fact, the ratio is decreasing)

    I used those numbers to imagine what stats would be at ilvl 410, 480, 550, 620 and 690, starting from the i340 values if the stats increase at the same rate. With these calculation, I ended, at ilvl690, at 9572 STR for DRG and 7037 STR for PLD (Without any STR meld), so a ratio of 73%.

    Stats will probably change before we reach such a high ilvl (If we ever), but, with this ratio, tanks are still far from being outmatched in enmity.
    but how many hp do tanks have at 680?
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    You have to factor in the fact that dps classes are far more efficient with their potency per second, being able to turn their increased attack power into even further increased dps better than tanks can turn attack power into dps. This adds a slight but present multiplier to the speed at which the differences will increase. Again, it's slow burning, but it is a problem.

    Additionally as has been stated, having such low scaling can make i320 choices best in slot over i340, maybe even up to i380+ over more efficient secondary stats alone. It's not hard to beat out 2, 4, or even 6 or maybe 8 str depending on what secondaries you are trading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackironTarkus View Post
    You have to factor in the fact that dps classes are far more efficient with their potency per second, being able to turn their increased attack power into even further increased dps better than tanks can turn attack power into dps.
    Yes, but they're not more efficient at turning AP into damage as tanks are at turning AP into enmity. And again, we've only looked at the AP ratio. Keep in mind that weapon damage is the same between all jobs, and has a (comparatively) greater impact than AP.

    A little reminder. People justify the scaling problem by using the recent enmity boost patch as proof. Keep in mind that the only enmity that was increased was for low-level skills, for tanks that don't have their tank stance yet. With the tank stance, there isn't any real issue with enmity unless you overneglect your enmity combo.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackironTarkus View Post
    Additionally as has been stated, having such low scaling can make i320 choices best in slot over i340, maybe even up to i380+ over more efficient secondary stats alone. It's not hard to beat out 2, 4, or even 6 or maybe 8 str depending on what secondaries you are trading.
    It has happened before. Remember the i120 CT body compared to the i130 Poetic body and its wonderful Accuracy/Parry secondaries...
    All and all, it's a nice touch that ilvl is not the only thing that matters, as long as it's not a blatant overlook like i270 STR vs i320 VIT acc.
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 07-18-2017 at 09:35 PM.