Tank Scaling still a massive issue

[Reynhart]

The dps just shot up another 200 dps this same tier and your performance starts to matter less and less and less.

I still don't understand that. Are DPS demoralized when they see our defense skyrocket ? Are they demoralized by seeing the gap in HP increase more and more ?

And no, your performance still matters a lot, because if you don't know how to properly do your rotation, you'll risk losing aggro and killing all the raid, or building too much enmity and crippling your damage output...and you're still the one holding the boss so that it doesn't curb-stomp every paper-DPS in seconds. How is that "not contributing" ?

Then slightly better again. Then slightly better again.

Enmity wise, our left side will be slighty better then theirs. Then slightly better again. Then slightly better again...

[BlackironTarkus]

When dps start doing 2x or 3x of a tank the tank maximizing damage doesn't matter in the slightest.

It will be the tanks job to survive Busters and spam aggro combo.

Right now a tank maximizing is very noticeable because we're only 30 percent behind and its a good spot to be in. Eventually dps will be doing 6 to 8k dps each and tanks will still be sitting at 3k. Suddenly the diff between a top 10 tank and a middle of the road one is smaller and smaller as time passes until you can get 1 percent more damage by having said top 10 play tank or 10 percent more raid damage by having same player play a dps.

You start to put your worst players in the tank role because learning CDs and standing where they're told to stand is easy

All of this gets worse the more time passes that we only increase in output at a fraction of the rate a dps does.

[BlackironTarkus]

Also our enmity is tied to oour attack power. I have no idea how you got the idea that our enmity scales faster than dps damage output when it's not the case.

[Reynhart]

Right now a tank maximizing is very noticeable because we're only 30 percent behind and its a good spot to be in. Eventually dps will be doing 6 to 8k dps each and tanks will still be sitting at 3k.

And if you do only 2.5k because you can't properly manage enmity and damage, people will still say it's your fault if the party failed a DPS check, don't worry

Also our enmity is tied to our attack power. I have no idea how you got the idea that our enmity scales faster than dps damage output when it's not the case.

Our enmity is also tied to our modifiers. Every time our damage increase, our enmity increase at least threefold. So, enmity wise, we gain more from the lest side than DPS do.

[BlackironTarkus]

Eventually enmity and CDs will be all that matters on a tank when every set of gear that comes out lowers the relative contribution a tank makes to the fight. If everyone goes up by 10 percent but one role went up by 1 percent, yes they did more damage than before but less of the total damage contribution they made before.

I have no issues doing good dps and tanking atm and will continue to do so this savage set but eventually a tank maximizing will be of very very little relevance.

What I don't get is why you are so vehemently against the idea that everyone should get better at the same rate. I'm not advocating to do the same damage as a dps. I am advocating that we stay a permanent x% behind dps, not continually falling behind further and further.

[Reynhart]

What I don't get is why you are so vehemently against the idea that everyone should get better at the same rate. I'm not advocating to do the same damage as a dps. I am advocating that we stay a permanent x% behind dps, not continually falling behind further and further.

I'm not against the idea of being better at the same rate, I'm against the doomsayer that say we're screwed.

Besides, I don't know the exact formula, but my guess would be that gaining 30% at 3000DPS requires much more STR than gaining 30% at 1000 DPS. Will we really fall further and further on a percentage base ?

On a sidenote, main stat is not the only thing that dicates damage. Our potencies are comparable to most DPS potencies, and our weapon damage is exactly the same.