Tank Scaling still a massive issue

[BlackironTarkus]

Static increases do not change scaling, only delay it. The difference doesn't matter now. But it will. All 6 pieces of left side increase the same, but on right side there's a scaling difference. I'll make some graphs later when I get home to better illustrate this but what it boils down to right now is that flat numbers look good and minimize the look of a problem, but the do accessories get slightly better than tank ones every patch. Then slightly better again. Then slightly better again.

[Reynhart]

The dps just shot up another 200 dps this same tier and your performance starts to matter less and less and less.

I still don't understand that. Are DPS demoralized when they see our defense skyrocket ? Are they demoralized by seeing the gap in HP increase more and more ?

And no, your performance still matters a lot, because if you don't know how to properly do your rotation, you'll risk losing aggro and killing all the raid, or building too much enmity and crippling your damage output...and you're still the one holding the boss so that it doesn't curb-stomp every paper-DPS in seconds. How is that "not contributing" ?

Then slightly better again. Then slightly better again.

Enmity wise, our left side will be slighty better then theirs. Then slightly better again. Then slightly better again...

[BlackironTarkus]

When dps start doing 2x or 3x of a tank the tank maximizing damage doesn't matter in the slightest.

It will be the tanks job to survive Busters and spam aggro combo.

Right now a tank maximizing is very noticeable because we're only 30 percent behind and its a good spot to be in. Eventually dps will be doing 6 to 8k dps each and tanks will still be sitting at 3k. Suddenly the diff between a top 10 tank and a middle of the road one is smaller and smaller as time passes until you can get 1 percent more damage by having said top 10 play tank or 10 percent more raid damage by having same player play a dps.

You start to put your worst players in the tank role because learning CDs and standing where they're told to stand is easy

All of this gets worse the more time passes that we only increase in output at a fraction of the rate a dps does.

[Inuakurei]

This is true but all this does is drive tanks away. It's fun to feel like you can contribute to fights and tank. But when you see your % of damage done consistently dropping every single gear upgrade it becomes demoralizing. Yeah you went up +10 dps and some hp. The dps just shot up another 200 dps this same tier and your performance starts to matter less and less and less.

I actually stopped playing DRK atm cause everyone treats tanks like nothing but gimped dps. When I play a tank, I want to tank, not dps.

[FallenWings]

I actually stopped playing DRK atm cause everyone treats tanks like nothing but gimped dps. When I play a tank, I want to tank, not dps.

You can play as a tank. You can even play as what you believe a tank is, and I assume that is the focus on purely mitigation and aggro. You can stay in ShO/Grit/Defiance and press your aggro combo only and you will pass.

Just accept that you are objectively playing bad.

When you are given the choice to do more, and you choose to play a factually inferior playstyle for the sake of abiding to your belief of what a tank should be in your eyes then you are actively choosing to play badly, and the people calling you bad have every right to.

I like playing as a tank that does more then be a required meatwall. I like playing a Warrior with a greataxe that shrugs off hits AND cleaves fools. That is a tank to me. That is a WARRIOR/DARK KNIGHT/PALADIN THAT REMEMBERS THEY HAVE A SWORD TOO.

[Kosmos992k]

Not necessarily. It's easy to make the gap between tank and DPS higher and higher while still being under the top enmity we can generate.
Between all the enmity bonuses, it's easy for tanks to generate at least three times the enmity of their damage. So, if we have 2k AP and the DPS have 5k, they'll indeed have 3k more than us, but, we'll still generate enmity "as if" we had 6k AP.

...and so tanks have to tank and DPS might have to start using their skill set to manage their aggro to prevent peeling things from the tank.

Alternately SE could apply an enmity modifier to DPS jobs to reduce enmity generated as STR or attack power scales upwards.

[StouterTaru]

If dps accs gain 14 str on a 20 ilvl jump, tank accs need to gain 14 too. By handing dps +14 and tanks +2 for this higher ilvl, eventually you will be back to square one.

Dps i320 to i340 upgrade is +208 main stat, roughly a 9.0% increase in damage (not factoring secondaries)
Tank i320 to i340 upgrade is +141 STR, roughly a 7.4% increase in damage (not factoring secondaries)

The gap is there, but it's not so massive that a major correction is going to be needed before the next expansion.

[Baci]

I still dont get why they gave healers their one all around dmg/heal stat, but are so scared to do it with tanks.
Why do we need to try work with 2 "main" stats. While no other role Faces that

[BlackironTarkus]

Hp is as much a main stat to healers and dps as it is a tank. Dps don't actively worry or think about their vit like tanks do but you can bet money that dps hp and healer hp compared to tank hp factor into fight balance heavily.

It's best to keep attack power and hp separate.

The scaling issue is still bad.

[YitharV2]

My guess is they're just going to keep patching enmity modifiers. That's not the way I think things should be done, but it's SE's game, meh. I've said enough already about what I think about SE's tanking design.