SMN : is critical hit not longer a priority?

[Mature]

I was looking at the tome gear and savage gear and they both seem to have tons of DH SS and Det. Take the tome wep and savage wep none got crit hit.

At the moment I was prioritizing CH DH SS. But looking at the new stuff it's making me wonder what to go for first.

Am I missing something?

[Koyuki38]

I'll still go for Crit and DH 1st.

But i'll get any piece of gear possible and change it when needed. It's not like in 3.0 where i couldn't put materia as i wanted, now i can easily put +40/80 stat /piece each time i get it. I get Materia faster than i get piece of gear

[Neela]

I can copy an answer I gave in another (german) thread referring the current status of the reddit theorycrafter:

reddit status of statweights

tl;dr: direct hit > crit > det > ss

(bei dds die keine crit procs in ihrer rota haben wie Brd oder Mnk). dh & det multiplyer sind nach wie vor additiv während crit noch immer multiplativ ist -> je mehr dh/det desto weniger der dmg schub je höher der wert. crit je höher der wert desto höher der dmg schub. laut den craftern auf reddit lohnt crit > dh erst ab einem wert, den man derzeit noch gar nicht erreichen kann (2800-3500+) ---> daher gilt derzeit wohl wie oben als einleitung: dh > crit > det > ss

Schneller Gruß
Yuna ^^

so it seems that dh is the most effective stat until you are able to reach a crit value over 2800+...

short explanation of the german copy: dh and det are additiv while crit is still multiplativ - so dh & det dmg increase will shrink as higher as your stats go while crit still raises dmg increase by getting higher and higher....

For myself im still going for crit > dh ( > det/ss) - it just won't make a big difference in this current state but I wonder if full savage/mod tomb gear is enough to claim the breaking point where crit definitely goes over dh.... hopefully ^^

[Mature]

So it is rip for SS for Smns?

Cheers!

[Neela]

hmm not sure about that but if you take 2 points in consideration it might appear a bit less important than before:

1) we have less dots so ss lost dmg increase at all on our side
2) ruin 3 is no more our only "burst" skill, with the loss of potency it's not that important if you throw out 5 or 6 ruins while trance. DH & Det in comparison effect every skill and your Egi dmg so well yeah - ss seems a bit off atm.

I think ss is still important for Blm though... but not that important for us smn atm - but thats just my opinion about ss so far. ^^

[Schondetta]

Pinching pennies. Choose whatever stat you want . it won't make a difference in gameplay

[Taika]

This is the newest stat testing thread I've been able to find: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tats_compared/

Seems direct hit > det for SMN?

[Koyuki38]

I agree with that numbers, i also found them on another thread. But what I disagree is the conclusion.

The numbers clearly say that Crit > DH but everyone still says that DH > Crit (even the people who wrote the numbers)

In term of pure Rate/Bonus damages, if we have 1900 crit and 0 DH, we are supposed to get more damages than having 1900 DH and 0 crit. The same goes for a more realistic numbers like 1900/1500 (my current number in ilvl 314) or 1500/1900 for Crit/DH. What changes the conclusion should be the probability to get a DH (or Crit) proc on a low spell or a high spell.
With DH, you have more rate, but only +25% damages on each proc.
With Crit, you have a lower rate, but each proc deals mor damages (for exemple +54% with a crit value around 1905)

If you test this numbers on 100 spells with the same potency, you'll figure that with same value of crit and DH, the crit gives more damages.
But in a real rotation we don't have the same potency for each spell/skill. We have different potency for several skills. This is what does changes the value of the stats. But i have not seen yet people talking about that.

[Gallus]

Go for direct hit. The rest I don't know, but honestly, I would avoid SS. Probably better off going with DET or Crit.

[Neela]

The numbers clearly say that Crit > DH but everyone still says that DH > Crit (even the people who wrote the numbers)


If you test this numbers on 100 spells with the same potency, you'll figure that with same value of crit and DH, the crit gives more damages.

this is what I actually was telling in the first post. crit numbers are higher than dh numbers but you need less dh for 1% increase until you reach a certain point where crit dmg overcome dh in its dmg boost although it still need more statpoints for +1% than dh.

saying that reddit have calculated that breakevenpoint and said we can't reach that crit number now (pre-savage) - dunno if 320 over melt / 340 / savage gear is enough to do so.

until than it's most probably DH > Crit > DET >>>> SS for us atm... ^^