PVP removing vital parts of skills

[LupinS]

First off I'm gonna say this - I find it funny how as a DRAGOON I've been pretty much reduced to being a ranged sniper. If you haven't tried it, i urge you to give it a go because I love how 'jump into piercing talon' has netted me so many kills to the point they are the only skills i get to/have to use. It is stupid how the only time i get consistent kills is to resort to playing the class the way it was not intended, to the literal point where i do not even bother now with melee attacks at all. The dragoon gauge in PVP is one of the most redundant things i've come across, and i would try to build it more often if only the actual eyes stayed stored as there is nothing worse than that timer ticking down because you have NOTHING to hit. 'Oh thats a nice geirskogul you are building there, would be a shame if you dont get to use it'

Secondly, stripping away all the necessary things used in previous PVP versions is horrible. I'm talking more about how melee "LB" now is just praying that they dont decide to walk away from you. There is no more stun to lock a target in place long enough and i just end up with half LB bars time and time again. It would be worth the risk if the LB could actually properly 1 shot a target, but they dont. Now you could say "oh but ranged ones dont one hit people either... whats your point?" Well ranged ones go off regardless off hitting people, and they have the chance of hitting multiple targets. If anything, all the melee LB's do in PVP now is lock YOU to a location making you a sitting duck. Melee LB should at least come with a built in stun to hold them and let it go off

There is also no more punishing people for roaming around by themself (sure you can have a 1v1 against a DPS but that was never hard to do, and even WAR now). And don't even get me started on trying to actually punish a healer who is by themself now. People said healers were so OP before, well now try and stop them with no stun. People complained about the way Tanks were in 3.X and they seem to be made out of paper now.

Give melee a stun, hell even if its just the additional skill of leg sweep

[Zojha]

Well ranged ones go off regardless off hitting people, and they have the chance of hitting multiple targets.

The physical ranged one will also frequently hit the target even if it moved out of the range nowadays.

As for melee LB: This is where ninja excels now - they got hyoton for that. And they can use the limit break while hidden now - it won't un-hide you until the animation starts, at which point you cannot prevent the damage anymore. In the hands of a skilled premade, you can easily obliterate even healers with that without giving them any chance to react. I, uh... don't advise doing such assassinations with randoms, though. You'll still need help, both to kill and to get out afterwards. Using assassinate before the LB unfortunately opens you up to Blank/Fluid Aura and the like.

That aside, I've come to really only use melee LB on ice or people that got stunned these days. It's only really usable on static targets, at least with high latency. I even had it be interrupted by people simply by running around me, in spite of it automatically facing the target while casting.

[Synestra]

People said healers were so OP before, well now try and stop them with no stun.

BRD can still do this if the healer doesn't know how hard BRD can hit during GCD, Barrage+Empyreal+Sidewinder can all be triple weaved so even without BH/BF that combo melts 50% HP or even more and you also have Silence on top of that. I think BRD and probably MCH will get some tweaking in future, both are easy killing machines without any real drawback compared to casters who still needs to stay still for casts.

Now i kinda understand why they took crits out of pvp, if they didn't then BRD would literally OHK pretty much everyone in there D:

[LupinS]

Now thats pretty cool to hear about the ninja, but melee are still punished far to much requiring assistance of their team or a dumb opponent

[Innes]

I miss the challenge of nins ambushing from shadows, i miss the challenge of 1v1 against dragoons with stun and full LB bar, I miss the diverse fights and how quickly dynamics could change. Timed 1-2 button burst with 1 button cc is what we have now, and couple debuffs. Very simple.