DRK Consolidated Feedback Thread

[Kreyd]

+2 seconds on TBN is a good thing, cause now there is like no chance it can't go off and give you 50 blood (if you know the encounter and time it just a bit you already can do that, but now it's easier)

But Delirium...I did some math and tests and yeah, combined with Bloodweapon it's definitely a dps gain (about 165 dps on the training I did). But if you just miss 1 Dark Arts, just clip 1 ability or there is just 1 or 2 seconds where you can't strike your target...

Honestly, I will just use Bloodspiller...expecially since I am MT and in tank stance most of the time and I think we can all agree, that it's not worth using it on Blood Price...

[Praesul]

Also the complaints about TBN having an MP cost are laughable. You're trading MP for blood, if the shield breaks you are AT WORST DPS neutral because you get a bloodspiller or delirium out of it so it's like you didn't use any MP at all.

This isn't even taking into account that it's a massive 11k HP shield at current HP levels that will get better as you get more HP.

[Nedkel]

Oh yeah I forgot you could use divine veil and cover every 15 seconds, I also wasn't aware intervention was usable on self.

One is a raid defense buff that does not apply to the user, the other is a strictly worse TBN, and the last one is not a shield.

Not to say that those abilities aren't good because they are but if you're going to compare at least compare apples to apples.

You cant cast it every 15 sec, you dont have infinite mana pool (unless it will break every time) or you could but it will cost you a chunk of your DPS to do so,.
PLD maintain the same if not higher dps, has all of these game changers and clemency on top of that with 2.5 sec recast, healing for around 20% hp of your own and half hp of anyone not tanky in the team.

The ability is not bad, but it will not change anything on its own unfortunately.

[Praesul]

You cant cast it every 15 sec, you dont have infinite mana pool or you could but it will cost you a chunk of your DPS to do so.
PLD maintain the same if not higher dps, has all of these game changers and clemency on top of that with 2.5 sec recast, healing for around 20% hp of your own and half hp of anyone not tanky in the team.

It does not cost you DPS to use the MP on TBN. If the shield breaks, you get blood. That's a free bloodspiller. You're trading a dark arts for a bloodspiller.

Clemency is literally a DPS loss because the MP cost decreases requiescat damage and reduces how many holy spirits you can cast AND is on the GCD.

[NellMoshroca]

Well at least DRK's getting a slight buff right? That's something, SE did finally barely acknowledge our existence.....

[Nedkel]

It does not cost you DPS to use the MP on TBN. If the shield breaks, you get blood. That's a free bloodspiller. You're trading a dark arts for a bloodspiller.

Clemency is literally a DPS loss because the MP increases requiescat damage and reduces how many holy spirits you can cast AND is on the GCD.

I can see it now why they have change the delirium cooldown, so it will encourage to use both abilities more often. It will make MP easier to manage thats for sure, well i believe its still better than nothing. xD

[Chrono_Rising]

That's because PLD and WAR potencies are worse across the board, so their buffs are stronger. You can't directly compare them. Delirium will be a relatively smaller gain because our base damage is already high (for a tank).

Higher sustained potency on dark knight is balanced by higher burst on the other tanks. It’s not vacuum math, we see it in practice and on paper. Increasing the 2 minute potency of delirium by about 1200 potency brings us to exactly the same potency per second we see on the others when you take into account their burst.

[Valdegarde]

People who keep elevating TBN to godlike levels are hurting the class's ability to move forward. It's not a bad skill, it's the bandage on a gaping wound of lack of performance. It by no means puts Dark Knight remotely ahead of other tanks.

[Inuk9]

Don't be mistaken. The delirium CD buff is HUGE for DRK, the dps overall will increase in at least 5%

[Praesul]

Higher sustained potency on dark knight is balanced by higher burst on the other tanks. It’s not vacuum math, we see it in practice and on paper.

Well PLD got hit with a 2 - 3% nerf, and WAR's damage seems to be shuffled from their burst window to their sustained damage through naked fell cleaves, so less emphasis on their burst (especially now that it doesn't line with as many raid buffs, in fact litany and battle voice are literally useless for WARs now unless those buffs are used outside of the inner release window now.)