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  1. #701
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    SyzzleSpark's Avatar
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    Pixiline Paradigm
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    Sargatanas
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    Summoner Lv 66
    In an expansion promising balance they've somehow managed to make one tank indisputably the worst in its role by every conceivable metric of consequence, and moreover, they've managed to cement it in that position just in time to release perhaps the most difficult content in the game's history. At this point I'm just dying to know why.

    Fights like UCOB should be released only after every possible balance adjustment needed has been addressed in some form or fashion. The gate to entry should be clearing o4s or whatever the 4th floor of a given tier may be, and not what job you are playing. In a 12-13 minute fight there is more than enough time to feature mechanics that play to every job's strengths, but if you're putting a fight like this out there when there are jobs that *have* no strengths, its a major slap in the face. Even if DRK is not "optimal" for the fight, it should at least have something to bring to the table, should you decide to use it. DRK wasn't optimal for A7s either, but people could still bring it back in the day because while PLD was better for that particular fight in the eyes of most people, DRK still had things to offer, such as higher DPS, softening up sizzle spark a bit, etc.

    When your main job is in the state that DRK is and a fight like UCOB comes out, it sucks, really bad. Functioning at a disadvantage like this when every job has to be at their best to compete feels awful, before you even queue in.
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    Last edited by SyzzleSpark; 10-30-2017 at 07:41 PM.

  2. #702
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    Gulvioir Muruc
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    Gilgamesh
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    Not sure if everyone saw this, but did we see the reason for the shake it off buff?

    «Warrior»
    Warrior’s party utility will be increased by changing the effect of Shake It Off and adjusting its party defending capabilities to be more in balance with that of paladin and dark knight.

    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/350624

    I'm guessing their response to TBN feedback is that our utility is equivalent to paladin.
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  3. #703
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    Shao Kuraisenshi
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post
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    yeah i saw it too this morning, was hilarious read "in balance", i did not know if laugh or just facepalm, i did both.
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    Last edited by shao32; 11-02-2017 at 11:41 AM.

  4. #704
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    Quote Originally Posted by shao32 View Post
    yeah i saw it too this morning, was hilarious read "in balance", i did not know if laugh or just facepalm, i did both.
    I've been saying since the beginning that as powerful as TBN is for ourselves, it is not all it is cracked up to be on a party member. I've seen regens tick for bigger numbers than a 10% TBN is worth.
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  5. #705
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    Mattiux Black
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post

    Warrior’s party utility will be increased by changing the effect of Shake It Off and adjusting its party defending capabilities to be more in balance with that of paladin and dark knight.
    We must have a party mitigation skill to unlock somewhere then xD

    The whole DrK situation is starting to appear really grotesquely.
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  6. #706
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    Eyvhokan Poseidal
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    Shiva
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    Miner Lv 70
    Do they think Reprisal is still a DRK only skill still?
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  7. #707
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    Strea Leonhart
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    Diabolos
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post
    Not sure if everyone saw this, but did we see the reason for the shake it off buff?

    I'm guessing their response to TBN feedback is that our utility is equivalent to paladin.
    How they came up with that idea is beyond me and sounds like they want to go back to 2.xx party comps... the solution for is so simple yet they choose to make things more complicated for balance adjustments...
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  8. #708
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    Tolby Seyfert
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    Cactuar
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    Blacksmith Lv 70
    It just sounds like scripted lines they would say infront of everyone anyways. Be nice if a dev just sat down and spoke their minds in regards to a class.

    A part of me questions how they actually test these supposed "balancing" issues. Do they just look at numbers and charts or do they actually have a group work on a class, play the class in content, get the overall feel of what it can/cant do well then compare it to other classes.
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  9. #709
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    Lilla La'aurora
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    Phoenix
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    Dancer Lv 98
    [SARCASM] DRK is just as good as pld whatre you talkin' about! [SARCASM]

    https://youtu.be/5dGp6vwKMHE
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    Last edited by SummerScorcher; 11-03-2017 at 02:27 AM. Reason: felt like I needed to add sarcasm in case a dev looks and is like ah were good move on YOU NEVER KNOW

  10. #710
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    Carlo Vinne
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    Faerie
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Mycow8me View Post
    It just sounds like scripted lines they would say infront of everyone anyways. Be nice if a dev just sat down and spoke their minds in regards to a class.

    A part of me questions how they actually test these supposed "balancing" issues. Do they just look at numbers and charts or do they actually have a group work on a class, play the class in content, get the overall feel of what it can/cant do well then compare it to other classes.
    I don't think they have the manpower to devote a group to each class. Or even one person per class.
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