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  1. #281
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    SyzzleSpark's Avatar
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    Pixiline Paradigm
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 66
    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Fury View Post
    If that's the case, that means SE does not think any of these personal issues with the job are actually issues otherwise there would be adjustments in 4.06. With limited time, comes priorities. Previous fixes have the tanks working in a managable state so I wouldn't be surprised if any adjustments wont be until 4.1.
    Well yeah, cause that is likely the next patch we'll see.

    In the meantime, we ought to keep these threads alive so that the issues that do need fixing do not fall off the radar. The main thing that is keeping DRK in a manageable state is the fact that every fight in savage right now features magical TBs, if not from the boss then from adds, and the DPS checks are relatively lenient. The moment this changes, DRK is going to create problems for groups. Meta aside, the job just feels bad to optimize. The skill floor was brought up way too high, and the skill ceiling is about an inch away from it.
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    Last edited by SyzzleSpark; 08-08-2017 at 11:28 PM.

  2. #282
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    Falar's Avatar
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    Ul'Dah
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    Kane Blackstone
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark View Post
    4.06 notes are out, nothing.

    Louder boys.
    I just voted with my wallet.

    Logging in has become a chore now like the end of the last patch cycle and I had to force myself just to cap creation. Time for a loooong break until DRK is fun again.
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  3. #283
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    Xenosan's Avatar
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    Goffard Gaffgarion
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 73
    If Dark Passenger is such shite, what's that make DA-Quietus's +50 potency?

    Is it there just to punish DRK who DA between the wrong GCDs?
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  4. #284
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Character
    Deceptus Keelon
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Just starting to level DRK from 60 again and I'm wondering why the hell we need 5 different AOE moves. Unleash, Salted Earth, Dark Passenger, Abyssal Drain, and Quietus.
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  5. #285
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    Kabooa's Avatar
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    Character
    Jace Ossura
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Just starting to level DRK from 60 again and I'm wondering why the hell we need 5 different AOE moves. Unleash, Salted Earth, Dark Passenger, Abyssal Drain, and Quietus.
    Unleash is cheap radial threat.
    Salted Earth is DPS / Blood generation
    Dark Passenger is questionable
    Abyssal Drain is your go-to MP AoE when stuff is gathered
    Quietus is an MP spike and enables everything.
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  6. #286
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    Character
    Dylan Wolfwoodicus
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 80
    So as someone working on clearing v4.0S right now, and has done v3.0S in literally every which way possible with every tank, I have to say the only reasons to take a DRK right now are:

    1. It's your only job.
    2. You're playing around, having fun, whatever.
    3. You're on v1.0S or v2.0S where it's faceroll easy and optimization literally makes no difference.
    4. You're compensating for a co-tank that doesn't want/can't run optimal setups.

    WAR, while it doesn't seem strong on paper, is absolutely amazing in v3.0S as MT and v4.0S period. Holmgang's short CD timer and their massive mitigation toolkit with short cooldowns is just amazing along with the fact that their DPS is just flat out better.
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  7. #287
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    Tint's Avatar
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    Character
    Karuru Karu
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Xenosan View Post
    If Dark Passenger is such shite, what's that make DA-Quietus's +50 potency?

    Is it there just to punish DRK who DA between the wrong GCDs?
    it's not too bad, since you gain the mana for Dark Arts back with Quietus, but very situational. you would rather spend the mana for more Abyssal Drain than Dark Arts + Quietus.
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  8. #288
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    Dauntess's Avatar
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    Dauntess Vladynfall
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Miner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Falar View Post
    I just voted with my wallet.

    Logging in has become a chore now like the end of the last patch cycle and I had to force myself just to cap creation. Time for a loooong break until DRK is fun again.
    I'm in the same boat. My sub runs up in a couple days and I don't see myself resubbing in the foreseeable future. Not only has DRK become a chore, it just flat out sucks to play. They could have the worst DPS, mitigation, utility, but if its fun to play, I'd play it. The worst part is, it's gonna take another expansion to fix my problems with DRK.
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  9. #289
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    Eyvhokan's Avatar
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    Eyvhokan Poseidal
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    Miner Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Xenosan View Post
    If Dark Passenger is such shite, what's that make DA-Quietus's +50 potency?

    Is it there just to punish DRK who DA between the wrong GCDs?
    It's hitting aoe and you wouldn't use it with fewer than three targets meaning DA gets you 150+ whenever you want to use it, which is larger than the soul-eater 140. DA on drain doesn't add any damage, though the health back is handy. Seven targets and it has the same potency gain as carve & split.

    DA on passenger uses up half your MP pool. Quietus is blood only, so doesn't drain MP.
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  10. #290
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    Xenosan's Avatar
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    Goffard Gaffgarion
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 73
    Quote Originally Posted by Eyvhokan View Post

    DA on passenger uses up half your MP pool. Quietus is blood only, so doesn't drain MP.
    Well yeah, but Dark Passenger is also oGCD, so Dark Passenger+Quietus is better than DA+Quietus for the same MP cost. I think DRK shouldn't have any Potency increase DA effects for AOE, DP could fill that role.

    DA+DP is another issue though.
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    Last edited by Xenosan; 08-09-2017 at 11:16 PM.

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