DRK Consolidated Feedback Thread

[Aana]

0 evidence for either claim still. It is logical. Which is happening? No one knows. I have found common sense to be one of the least common things.

My point is that it doesn't matter which is happening for us. Either they read the forums and thus know about the months of Drk threads all over every language, thus additional threads for the sake of 'exposure' are irrelevant, or they don't read the forums and nothing we post ever is relevant. Either way just spamming more threads wont help anything. The only thing left is to 'hope' they are/are planning too adjust drk and post constructive ideas they may not have considered. But volume just for attention is pointless at this stage. If they read, theyve already seen it. If they don't, they'll never see it.

[SyzzleSpark]

My point is that it doesn't matter which is happening for us. Either they read the forums and thus know about the months of Drk threads all over every language, thus additional threads for the sake of 'exposure' are irrelevant, or they don't read the forums and nothing we post ever is relevant. Either way just spamming more threads wont help anything. The only thing left is to 'hope' they are/are planning too adjust drk and post constructive ideas they may not have considered. But volume just for attention is pointless at this stage. If they read, theyve already seen it. If they don't, they'll never see it.

The additional threads posted aren't any more or less useful then your posts pontificating about what we should or shouldn't post about, frankly.

I remember your recent posts and you've been absent from this forum for a week or two, so there was in fact a distinct falloff in posts about DRK at that time. Its only in the last 24-48 hours that everything has been bumped again, and for the most part, people are posting legitimate and well-written ideas and suggestions in various forms. Assuming that because there are a lot of them, the majority must be fluff is fallacious.

Additionally, threads of this nature have been dating back to June. They tell us during live letters and such to continue providing feedback via the forums, and in cases like, say, WHM for instance, we know that they do take notice.

[Aana]

The additional threads posted aren't any more or less useful then your posts pontificating about what we should or shouldn't post about, frankly.

This entire tangent was based entirely on:

But I've noticed a steep decline in conversation in dark threads about buffs. We need to keep the conversation going as much as possible.

Did I ever state no one should post? No. Did I say stop posting about drk changes and ideas? nope. I read the quote to mean drks should up their post count and activity to maintain visibility. I then see over half of the threads in the tank section already are Drk and the posts faaaar outweigh any other discussion topic and and have for months and point out the obvious. Note this is AFTER the noted 'slowdown' of drk discussion. It was significantly higher.

Visibility has been achieved. The people who are paid to read these forums cant realistically have MISSED months of this stuff, and if they actually do (ie don't read forums) then this entire exercise is utterly pointless. In the same breath I state people should continue to post feedback and constructive ideas.

The entire sidebar was only about posting for visibilities sake in an already highly visible subject. Shining light where its already high noon so people notice isn't going to do anything.

[WhyAmIHere]

This entire tangent was based entirely on:


Did I ever state no one should post? No. Did I say stop posting about drk changes and ideas? nope. I read the quote to mean drks should up their post count and activity to maintain visibility. I then see over half of the threads in the tank section already are Drk and the posts faaaar outweigh any other discussion topic and have for months and point out the obvious. Visibility has been achieved. The people who are paid to read these forums cant realistically have MISSED months of this stuff, and if they actually do (ie don't read forums) then this entire exercise is utterly pointless. In the same breath I state people should continue to post feedback and constructive ideas.

The entire sidebar was only about posting for visibility in an already highly visible subject. Shining light where its already high noon so people notice isn't going to do much.

The problem is that you're assuming as such. Tangentially yes it can be inferred that they're paying attention with regards to how WAR's been buffed/improved since SB's release, but there's been mum to say about DRK. It's an implied preferential treatment that a portion of the community isn't satisfied with, and SE has not been forthcoming about the matter, both here and in the JP forums as far as I know.

[Chrono_Rising]

This entire tangent was based entirely on:


Did I ever state no one should post? No. Did I say stop posting about drk changes and ideas? nope. I read the quote to mean drks should up their post count and activity to maintain visibility. I then see over half of the threads in the tank section already are Drk and the posts faaaar outweigh any other discussion topic and and have for months and point out the obvious. Note this is AFTER the noted 'slowdown' of drk discussion. It was significantly higher.

Visibility has been achieved. The people who are paid to read these forums cant realistically have MISSED months of this stuff, and if they actually do (ie don't read forums) then this entire exercise is utterly pointless. In the same breath I state people should continue to post feedback and constructive ideas.

The entire sidebar was only about posting for visibilities sake in an already highly visible subject. Shining light where its already high noon so people notice isn't going to do anything.

My point was actually that we are fighting a battle with people who are posting about whether we need buffs since a DRK was WF and are not talking about actual dark knight issues in the threads that already exist. But I suppose it is easier to cut that initial part of my quote out and cherry pick it to sounds like I'm inciting more threads.

I also remember a time when you said if other tanking classes were asking for unnecessary buffs you would be commenting on those threads. Well we have a thread requesting to buff the already highest dps tank even more, but all I've seen at this point are posts arguing about darks posting about their issues. Its stuff like this that brings back the questions about motives.

[MauvaisOeil]

I wouldn't like beeing a new player searching relevant information on about how to play on theses forums, however. Everything is flooded in complaints, and it's more discouraging than anything for any new eye here.

[Ekimmak]

You know, a weird thought came to me. The worst of DRK's SB nerfs may have been completely unintentional.

Pushing the Role skill system forward and bringing WAR down from it's mandatory utility standpoint is what ripped a lot of the survivability from DRK.

[TouchandFeel]

You know, a weird thought came to me. The worst of DRK's SB nerfs may have been completely unintentional.

Pushing the Role skill system forward and bringing WAR down from it's mandatory utility standpoint is what ripped a lot of the survivability from DRK.

I'd say that is partially true.

In 3.X DRK was made up of a bunch of janky, mismatched bits that were barely held together by Band-Aids and bubble-gum, but it was held together just enough to provide something playable.

In 4.X, for the sake of stream-lining and cleaning up the jobs through things like the role action system and the blanket stripping out of certain ability types and effects from jobs, the weird junk holding together DRK's kit got shook loose.

Now I don't have a problem with cleaning up junk, but the problem comes when SE saw the messy pile of broken pieces that was once DRK and instead of picking it up and trying to find a way to put it back together again, just swept it into a pile, then under the rug and called it a day.

[WhyAmIHere]

You know, a weird thought came to me. The worst of DRK's SB nerfs may have been completely unintentional.

Pushing the Role skill system forward and bringing WAR down from it's mandatory utility standpoint is what ripped a lot of the survivability from DRK.

This is a topic I'm in the mood to write up my personal opinions on later tonight, but the cross-role system in a tl;dr failed to homogenize the tanks while keeping their core identities intact, and instead is just another point of derision

[SyzzleSpark]

I'm amazed at the people that will post in these threads with no possible motive other than to be contrarian and discredit people asking for buffs for the current most poorly designed tank. What do they hope to gain?