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  1. #691
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    WhyAmIHere's Avatar
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    Mute Shellback
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    Behemoth
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I have a feeling the stance with Ultimate is gonna be "either make what you want to work work, or find a better strategy," and seeing as how it's not something the average player will want/care/be able to do in the near future (or more, depending on the individuals), using it as a metric to elaborate on how DRK is in need of adjustments is grasping for straws. Hells, this fight is designed for the best, more hardcore and dedicated players to tackle. They're the types of people who will find the best strategy, not force a broken, arguably weaker strategy, to fill the same role.
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  2. #692
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    Chrono_Rising's Avatar
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    Gulvioir Muruc
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    But that’s the point, even if you want to try and do this content on dark you are at a disadvantage. We should not be in the state that people question if dark knights can clear the fight regardless of player skill.
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  3. #693
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    WhyAmIHere's Avatar
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    Mute Shellback
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    Behemoth
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post
    But that’s the point, even if you want to try and do this content on dark you are at a disadvantage. We should not be in the state that people question if dark knights can clear the fight regardless of player skill.
    I mean, I know this is gonna come off as dickish, but if the creators themselves said this challenge isn't for just anyone, and that to even get to attempt it you need to clear o4s, it implies you need to go into it expecting it to be ""unfair"". To expect every class, flaws and all, to be able to effectively clear this content seems too expectant IMO. Yes, every class should be able to do all content, that much I agree with. But, not every class will have an equal ability to do it, and trying to take a weaker job into it at all seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot.
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  4. #694
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    Crater's Avatar
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    Jade Nixx
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 90
    If SE's attitude toward class balance is "Hey, we said this is hard, so if you can't clear it on a certain class that's not our problem!" then I'd like them to be up front about that so that people have a chance to unsubscribe from the game.

    The chances that they feel that way are close to zero, and the chances that you are actually literally unable to clear the fight with a DRK are about as small, but I've yet to see anyone even come close to saying anything like "Actually, DRK might be better than [PLD/WAR] in this one!" and can't really imagine a situation where that would be the case, so hopefully that (combined with plenty of feedback elsewhere) will be enough of a shock to SE's sytem to do something about it, sooner rather than later.
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  5. #695
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    Chrono_Rising's Avatar
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    Gulvioir Muruc
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere View Post
    I mean, I know this is gonna come off as dickish, but if the creators themselves said this challenge isn't for just anyone, and that to even get to attempt it you need to clear o4s, it implies you need to go into it expecting it to be ""unfair"". To expect every class, flaws and all, to be able to effectively clear this content seems too expectant IMO. Yes, every class should be able to do all content, that much I agree with. But, not every class will have an equal ability to do it, and trying to take a weaker job into it at all seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot.
    I'm fine with content being gated by skill, thats by no means my complaint.

    I'm not fine with potentially gearing out a class for 8 weeks and not being able to get a group because of the class I started on. I'm not ok with content being gated by meta. To early to tell how strict the dps, mitigation, and heal checks are but we aren't getting better gear for this content and it appears to legitimately be hard enough to warrant looking at what you are bringing to the fight.
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  6. #696
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post
    I'm fine with content being gated by skill, thats by no means my complaint.

    I'm not fine with potentially gearing out a class for 8 weeks and not being able to get a group because of the class I started on. I'm not ok with content being gated by meta. To early to tell how strict the dps, mitigation, and heal checks are but we aren't getting better gear for this content and it appears to legitimately be hard enough to warrant looking at what you are bringing to the fight.
    Yeah. I spent 7 weeks getting gears for that DRK weapon from O4N only for the meta to shift towards PLD and WAR. So among my personal grievances since 3.0 I'm pretty pissed off. And I refuse to level PLD because of the super buffs it got. I wasn't getting on the bandwagon and still won't.

    So I basically waited 2 months for my shit class to stay shit and get shit on. What fun.
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  7. #697
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    347SPECTRE's Avatar
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    Khirrika Moshroca
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    Midgardsormr
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    The PLD band wagon still has crappy suspension so it makes for a bumpy ride.To me (really shouldn't have to emphasize that this is my opinion based on MY personal experience.) It plays like cold butter on soft bread, gameplay wise.
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  8. #698
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    Mattiux's Avatar
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    Mattiux Black
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere View Post
    But, not every class will have an equal ability to do it, and trying to take a weaker job into it at all seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot.


    That's the problem in the first place. Why we have a weaker job?




    i've now levelled my warrior to lv70 and raid-wise my support to the group is far better in any aspect. And i'm not talking about Ultimate, but regular o3s/o4s.
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    Last edited by Mattiux; 10-30-2017 at 06:13 AM. Reason: spelling

  9. #699
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    DRKoftheAzure's Avatar
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    Strea Leonhart
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Crater View Post
    If SE's attitude toward class balance is "Hey, we said this is hard, so if you can't clear it on a certain class that's not our problem!" then I'd like them to be up front about that so that people have a chance to unsubscribe from the game.

    The chances that they feel that way are close to zero, and the chances that you are actually literally unable to clear the fight with a DRK are about as small, but I've yet to see anyone even come close to saying anything like "Actually, DRK might be better than [PLD/WAR] in this one!" and can't really imagine a situation where that would be the case, so hopefully that (combined with plenty of feedback elsewhere) will be enough of a shock to SE's sytem to do something about it, sooner rather than later.
    Therein lies the answer as to why a lot of DRK mains have yet to stop subscribing to/playing the game... they want to squeeze every bit of money they can by withholding information...
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  10. #700
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    FallenWings's Avatar
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    Xyasreau Borlaaq
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    Tonberry
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere View Post
    I mean, I know this is gonna come off as dickish, but if the creators themselves said this challenge isn't for just anyone, and that to even get to attempt it you need to clear o4s, it implies you need to go into it expecting it to be ""unfair"". To expect every class, flaws and all, to be able to effectively clear this content seems too expectant IMO. Yes, every class should be able to do all content, that much I agree with. But, not every class will have an equal ability to do it, and trying to take a weaker job into it at all seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot.
    DRK's new Job Description.

    "A knight that fights the injustice of the self righteous. They are however the weakest of the front liners and do not take damage as well as their bretheren. Unable to swing their huge oversized swords effectively, their only ability is to make some very dark and edgy particles while costing an arm and a leg!!"

    Here are some recent notable reviews from the players!

    "drk sucks"
    "delete drk"
    "dont play drk, not meta"

    Be a dark knight today! Be the weakest class in Stormblood that will be shunned by the community due to their overall ineffectiveness!

    - SE
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