DRK Consolidated Feedback Thread

[SplittingSkies]

I actually have not seen a group progging ultimate with Dark Knight. Has anyone?

Nope, none that I've seen so far. Xeno one of the hardcore players in the game and an outspoken individual, once said during one of his prog runs that: "You would be stupid not to have a WAR/PLD comp in this fight." Make of it what you will, but that alone says lots about DRKs situation at present in regards to coil ultimate but its also the only opinion i've heard at the moment from the hardcore raiders, i'd imagine that they are all singing off the same hymn sheet. Non-world first groups may be taking DRKs on the attitude of "play what you want." But logically speaking, in a fight where the difficulty is that high and even one death could derail a pull, you would want to bring as much DPS/party mitigation as possible.

[sonatahi]

I actually have not seen a group progging ultimate with Dark Knight. Has anyone?

Yeah. Me.

The job's usefulness is sort of becoming a joke as how MNK was a joke in 3.0. Eventually we're going to see groups only looking for PLD/WAR. This is no longer just a meta thing for speedkill groups.

[Chrono_Rising]

As SyzzleSpark predicted, hard content would highlight the flaws of Dark Knight. Really not hard to tell given how much feedback the developers have gotten from the player base couple with the development team doing absolutely nothing except buffing warrior.

[Mattiux]

Right know Ultimate just made the Drk situation worse.



The raid wide mitigation is just too good to leave it behind for a job like Dk that not add anything valuable at the table.


Right now the Dk don't provide anything of valuable for the paty in the form of dps, mitigation or utility over the other tank.



And while we have spoken about this problem in advance for the past month, yet SE didn't spend a post or a note to reply to our concern.

[WhyAmIHere]

I have a feeling the stance with Ultimate is gonna be "either make what you want to work work, or find a better strategy," and seeing as how it's not something the average player will want/care/be able to do in the near future (or more, depending on the individuals), using it as a metric to elaborate on how DRK is in need of adjustments is grasping for straws. Hells, this fight is designed for the best, more hardcore and dedicated players to tackle. They're the types of people who will find the best strategy, not force a broken, arguably weaker strategy, to fill the same role.

[Chrono_Rising]

But that’s the point, even if you want to try and do this content on dark you are at a disadvantage. We should not be in the state that people question if dark knights can clear the fight regardless of player skill.

[WhyAmIHere]

But that’s the point, even if you want to try and do this content on dark you are at a disadvantage. We should not be in the state that people question if dark knights can clear the fight regardless of player skill.

I mean, I know this is gonna come off as dickish, but if the creators themselves said this challenge isn't for just anyone, and that to even get to attempt it you need to clear o4s, it implies you need to go into it expecting it to be ""unfair"". To expect every class, flaws and all, to be able to effectively clear this content seems too expectant IMO. Yes, every class should be able to do all content, that much I agree with. But, not every class will have an equal ability to do it, and trying to take a weaker job into it at all seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot.

[Chrono_Rising]

I mean, I know this is gonna come off as dickish, but if the creators themselves said this challenge isn't for just anyone, and that to even get to attempt it you need to clear o4s, it implies you need to go into it expecting it to be ""unfair"". To expect every class, flaws and all, to be able to effectively clear this content seems too expectant IMO. Yes, every class should be able to do all content, that much I agree with. But, not every class will have an equal ability to do it, and trying to take a weaker job into it at all seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot.

I'm fine with content being gated by skill, thats by no means my complaint.

I'm not fine with potentially gearing out a class for 8 weeks and not being able to get a group because of the class I started on. I'm not ok with content being gated by meta. To early to tell how strict the dps, mitigation, and heal checks are but we aren't getting better gear for this content and it appears to legitimately be hard enough to warrant looking at what you are bringing to the fight.

[MagiusNecros]

I'm fine with content being gated by skill, thats by no means my complaint.

I'm not fine with potentially gearing out a class for 8 weeks and not being able to get a group because of the class I started on. I'm not ok with content being gated by meta. To early to tell how strict the dps, mitigation, and heal checks are but we aren't getting better gear for this content and it appears to legitimately be hard enough to warrant looking at what you are bringing to the fight.

Yeah. I spent 7 weeks getting gears for that DRK weapon from O4N only for the meta to shift towards PLD and WAR. So among my personal grievances since 3.0 I'm pretty pissed off. And I refuse to level PLD because of the super buffs it got. I wasn't getting on the bandwagon and still won't.

So I basically waited 2 months for my shit class to stay shit and get shit on. What fun.

[Mattiux]

But, not every class will have an equal ability to do it, and trying to take a weaker job into it at all seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot.

That's the problem in the first place. Why we have a weaker job?




i've now levelled my warrior to lv70 and raid-wise my support to the group is far better in any aspect. And i'm not talking about Ultimate, but regular o3s/o4s.