DRK Consolidated Feedback Thread

[SyzzleSpark]

This whole codswallop of DP being "clearly intended for AoE only" needs to go the way of the dinosaur. Circle of Scorn, Dragonfire Dive, Death Flare, Elixir Field... there is more precedent for off-GCD AoE abilities (i.e. not weaponskills/spells, GCDs) being useful in single target rotations (as well as not costing an arm and a leg) than there is for the reverse, so I submit that this whole idea of SE wanting AoE abilities to stay useless outside of AoE is faulty and we can move on now.

Just to get this thread back on track, a 10 potency buff to DP and its reintegration into our ST rotation will not fix DRK without similar changes to its mitigation and utility. This is if SE follows their current trend of just giving everybody everything that everybody has. If they'd like to deviate from that we'd need a significant buff in one particular department to push us well ahead in that one area and give us a niche.

[hoax]

This whole codswallop of DP being "clearly intended for AoE only" needs to go the way of the dinosaur. Circle of Scorn, Dragonfire Dive, Death Flare, Elixir Field... there is more precedent for off-GCD AoE abilities (i.e. not weaponskills/spells, GCDs) being useful in single target rotations (as well as not costing an arm and a leg) than there is for the reverse, so I submit that this whole idea of SE wanting AoE abilities to stay useless outside of AoE is faulty and we can move on now.

Do you have a better reason why they nerfed it then? And the ones you named don't have the MP cost of 2400.

[Xenosan]

They nerfed a collection of AOE across multiple jobs in 4.0, though some got buffed oddly..

I believe it has to do with lower lvl dungeons getting their difficulty eased each expansion, and so lots of low level 'bonus' AOEs were reigned in to prevent them from being too cheese. In DRKs case, Unleashed and DP.

But then they discovered that removing Darkside's MP drain destroyed all presence of DRK identity until lvl45, so they raised Dark Passenger's MP cost to make create some faux sense of MP management at lower lvls.

Just what I speculate on how it went down.

[TouchandFeel]

Honestly, I feel DP's biggest issue with balancing is that it has a resource cost and is on a recast timer.
They just need to get rid of the resource cost and then rebalance the numbers from there.

[akisya]

Putting the thread back on track: DRK plays fine as it is currently, the problem is the amount of damage it spits out for the amount of effort you put into it. Attempting to prep enough mana and gauge for 1-2 bloodspiller(s) and 1 C&S every minute for a NIN's trick attack window is a lot more challenging than your PLD's FoF GB-RA-RA Req-HS spam rotation that ignores party buff windows, imo.

Even if you do execute DRK's rotation perfectly in a speedrun, PLDs will still out damage you if they do their set rotation perfectly as well. On top of that, PLDs defensive rotation is the easiest to manage out of all the tanks. With PLDs not needing to keep track of their gauge, their sheltron (-26%, 10 whopping seconds duration) will always be up for every tankbuster. I'm okay with PLDs having easy defensive management, but not okay with them having such a easy time doing damage too. Might as well take 2 PLDs for ultimate prog, they are already close enough to WAR damage.

[Mekhana]

PLDs also have the RNG from blocking on their end. Meaning even if they don't do anything, there's a chance they'll live through if the healers can react to it.

[akisya]

PLDs also have the RNG from blocking on their end. Meaning even if they don't do anything, there's a chance they'll live through if the healers can react to it.

Yes, PLDs in O1-3S can passively block very hard hitting auto-attacks without Bulwark. And yes, they can pop absolutely nothing and still block a tankbuster, but most PLDs wouldn't do that anyways (atleast i would hope so). They will also spam Sheltron for Shield Swipe if there's no tankbusters coming soon.

Overall, PLDs take a lot less damage than WAR and DRK, especially with Hallowed Ground. SE should probably either nerf PLD damage or increase DRK a lot and WAR a little.

[SummerScorcher]

HEY SQUARE ENIX IM GONNA USE CAPS FOR THIS POST IN THE HOPES YOU HEAR THIS YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHH

anyways, so I was trying to get through the new 24-man today, and I put Sole Survivor on an ad. Unfortunately I got killed before the monster died and watched sadly as the Another Victim timer expired- which gave me an idea for the skill.

Sole Survivor
Marks target with the status Another Victim.
Converts portion of damage dealt to that target into HP and MP to party members and self.
Additional Effect: If that target should be KO'd in battle, 20% of your maximum HP and MP will be restored.
Additional Effect: If KO'd in battle before the Another Victim timer runs out, and target is killed, you will be resurrected.
Duration: 20s

Recast: 90s

Including previous suggestions made for this skill
What do you guys think? You probably wouldn't actually get to use (the rez) that much, but as a very situational bonus I think it could be very fun to use. Also adds a whole other level to the name "Sole Survivor"

[hoax]

I've suggested before to change Sole Survivor into an instant heal that consumes blood, but what if thats based on blood itself, so 50 heals a part but 100 blood heals you for your max HP. With this change you can get yourself out of walking dead.
This way we're not healer dependant for our invul ability, like war and pld..

[Mycow8me]

I've suggested before to change Sole Survivor into an instant heal that consumes blood, but what if thats based on blood itself, so 50 heals a part but 100 blood heals you for your max HP. With this change you can get yourself out of walking dead.
This way we're not healer dependant for our invul ability, like war and pld..

If this happened i'd end up never using the heal at the risk of not having it for living dead. Honestly livind dead just needs a rework. There's no reason for it to function the way it does when the other 2 are alot less detrimental. If anything they just need to change the adverse affect from being killed to ending up with weakness status affect.