DRK Consolidated Feedback Thread

[Falar]

I think early stormblood levels for drk are extremely awkward; we get blood gauge when we get delirium, but it's such a long cd and there's nothing to do with the recovered blood while delirium is on cd. I propose quietus and delirium switch in the order they're obtained, and for quietus/bloodspiller to reduce the remaining cd of delirium: 0.8s per enemy hit with quietus (1.5s with DA) and 2s per enemy hit with bloodspiller (3s with DA). This would give quietus and bloodspiller a better purpose than just another damage skill.

Another wish is the option to pump DA into TBN, increasing its duration to 8s and providing a 140 potency increase, consumed on your next weapon skill, if it it doesn't pop, for the remaining duration of the recast period.

That would be a terrible idea IMO, as it would cost 4800 MP (1/2 your MP) to pull off.

A lot of people agree we need a DCD now and I'd like to see Dark Dance come back. Instead of increasing parry rate (since the lesser Anticipation now does that as a role skill) I'd like to see it boost the parry damage reduction to 40 or 50 percent, while making magic attacks parryable (is this a word?).

As a DA effect give it 25% evade and magic evade with the old 60s cooldown of Dark Dance.

[IhzaMhaskova]

They removed it to give us access to rampart. Either way, we need at least 1 more cooldown, but preferably 2. Getting my ass handed to me between TBNs and cooldowns doesn't exactly make me feel like a tank.

Rampart is nice but it's just trading one mitigation for another.

I'm just a WHM main and DRK second but it seems like the class lost a lot.

The new Delirium isn't much, Reprisal is lackluster in it's new form, and we hardly have any damage reduction.

Shadow Wall is nice but it also has a tremendously long cooldown.

Dark Mind is nice but not many enemies have been doing magic damage in SB.

Only reasoning I could see is trying to make us use Abyssal Energy + Dark Arts and Sole Survivor more.

[Rbstr]

Gone is the mentality of "You can hit me, but its gonna hurt", reprisal: parry the attack damage the enemy and lower their damage, low blow procs: hit me so I can parry and reset my low blow, blood price: hit me and refill a chunk of my mana so I can use it against you (I guess this still works if you get hit 20 times? I'm counting it as not there). Gone is the idea that we are constantly draining ourselves to output damage. Gone are the days of debuffing the boss to take less damage (3.x delirium). For now, we still have selfsustain in the form of lifesteal and some resource steal, I guess that makes us dark knights, for now.

I mean, in terms of actual effectiveness DRK's reprisal themed stuff is stronger than before? Instead of a couple mediocre parry procs we've got TBN giving a bloodspiller worth of gauge. The boss doing damage to you is now fueling the strongest attack DRK has ever had.


I definitely think DRK needs some more defense to round it out. In particular something that works on physical damage. And even more specifically something to that'll help with physical tankbusters. DRK will struggle with those, particularly multi-hit types. It could be weak and easily stackable with TBN or fairly strong on a long CD. Either would help a lot.
Two ideas building on self-shielding (which I find fun) would be a second shielding ability, not tied to DPS/Gauge. maybe 25-30% HP on 180seconds. Or something like Inner Beast, where you gain a shield of a proportional amount to the skills damage. Could be a gauge spender. (maybe a cheaper one).
Honestly, a CD reduction on Shadow Wall would probably be enough by itself, just less fun.
Whatever it could be keep evade away. Evade sucks and I wish people would stop asking for it. It's wasted on any of the hard content in the game because that stuff never misses. Good riddance to it.

Otherwise I think DRK mostly just needs some potency buffs to catch up in damage, something done to Dark Passenger so it is more generally useful, and one more second of TBN time.

[Chrono_Rising]

I mean, in terms of actual effectiveness DRK's reprisal themed stuff is stronger than before? Instead of a couple mediocre parry procs we've got TBN giving a bloodspiller worth of gauge. The boss doing damage to you is now fueling the strongest attack DRK has ever had...

If only this were true. With the soul eater buff I believe TBN to get blood is back to a dps loss out of grit. Based on a lose argument I made in another post it now becomes important to factor in the chances of pushing out natural bloodspillers from our rotation. Before factoring those loses into the equation TBN is at best a 10/3 dps increase 3.333, pushing out a naturally occuring bloodspiller is a fairly large loss balanced by an infrequent occurance but is going to happen every 16 TBN's used in this way.

Compare that to the 250 potency reprisal which was oGCD and gave the boss a 10% down. Mitigation and dps, now what are we getting?

I want to get behind TBN, I really do. But it needs to give the job more.

[Ash_]

To keep things short:

- Bring shadow skin back.
- Revert Dark Passenger potency and mp cost to pre Stormblood.
- Bring shadow skin back.
- Nerf shadow wall CD.
- Bring shadow skin back.
- Give us back reprisal's original amazing sound effect.

Bonus challenge to devs; go run any low level content to understand why it's such a horrible, horrible experience as a DRK now. Even more so for healers.

[DWolfwood]

4.05 changes... Seriously? Thanks for the dungeon handout.

This probably won't even be enough to raise our damage to be equal with PLD, yet our utility is terrible by comparison. Even if we did have equal DPS to PLD, that would still be bad.

Congrats to WARs. Looks like I'll be picking up the axe again for this raid tier.

Thanks SE.

[TankHunter678]

Well DRK got shafted this patch. Maybe when 4.1 comes out we will see something substantial.

[SyzzleSpark]

We need mitigation. Our toolkit is garbage outside of TBN unless tankbusters are magical. Thankfully most of the ones in Omega are. Yay for being propped up by content again! /s

[Kalocin]

We need mitigation. Our toolkit is garbage outside of TBN unless tankbusters are magical. Thankfully most of the ones in Omega are. Yay for being propped up by content again! /s

Definitely looking at that mitigation gap and feeling the disappointment.

[Splitinfinity]

Hahahahaha how funny is this? You guys wanted dps and SE gave it to you. You guys kept crying out for str accessories they gave it to you. They even threw in a measly potency increase to get your dps fantasies rolling. Now you guys realize that the problem lies with the kit rather than the dps of the class itself. You want the dps quickfix and its given. How funny is it that others previously suggested a long term overhaul rather than this and yet you guys slated them as noobs who have no idea what they are talking about. Go on keep asking SE for moar dps increase please.